How would Errol Spence fair against most ATG or top WWs?

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  • GhostofDempsey
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    It goes to show how many casuals are in the media when they say these things. Spence was never a highly skilled fighter. He had decent skills with good power and he drained himself down from 180+ to make 147. Most if not all former great welters beat him; Griffith, Napoles, Rodriguez, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Trinidad, Oscar, Whitaker, Manny, and I’d favor some others to beat him also like Mosley, Forrest, Cotto, possibly the version of Thurman who beat Porter and Garcia. Not sure if he beats Margarito or Fernando Vargas either.

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    • RuleOfTheSpear
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      i think bradley beats him easily.

      look how much even the prime version of spence struggled with porter.

      as long as timmy dont *** around like he did against provodnikov, it's an easy 8-4 type of fight in favor of bradley

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        #13
        Originally posted by RGJTMMRDCMJRJSM
        i think bradley beats him easily.

        look how much even the prime version of spence struggled with porter.

        as long as timmy dont *** around like he did against provodnikov, it's an easy 8-4 type of fight in favor of bradley
        Timothy Bradley? I don't know about that, Shawn Porter was a tough task for most fighters today and Bradley is a natural 140 pounder. Errol's size advantage and style (pressure like the pacman) might give him the edge.

        Porter had won against Ugas and Danny Garcia, he also was a more difficult task for Crawford than Spence was based on styles.
        Last edited by Malvado; 01-13-2024, 03:56 PM.

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          How he will fare? Don't know. We can only gauge him for his fights with PBC fighters. Getting summarily executed by Bud Crawford made me think those PBC welters were not really as elite as they've been depicted to be for years. It's been a weak division to say the least.

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            #15
            Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
            It goes to show how many casuals are in the media when they say these things. Spence was never a highly skilled fighter. He had decent skills with good power and he drained himself down from 180+ to make 147. Most if not all former great welters beat him; Griffith, Napoles, Rodriguez, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Trinidad, Oscar, Whitaker, Manny, and I’d favor some others to beat him also like Mosley, Forrest, Cotto, possibly the version of Thurman who beat Porter and Garcia. Not sure if he beats Margarito or Fernando Vargas either.
            To be fair Errol hasn't competed at 154, and Vargas while I don't condone what he did with Oscar, still accomplished quite well.

            He beat Yori Boy Campas, Raul Marquez, Wilfredo Rivera, Javier Castijello, Ike Quartey and Wrinky Wright. A resume probably on par with Jermell Charlo, except he has a controversial win over a ATG (Wright) after a very competitive bout at 21 years old.

            Might be also be a closer fight between Vargas and Spence than people think considering his competitive performances with ODLH and Trinidad before getting stopped.

            Have to rematch Margarito, I know about the handwrapping controversy and see how he performed before getting caught, he always seemed slow handed to me but having a win over Maravilla Martinez seems impressive. Other than that, I wouldn't know if he used casts his whole career.

            I don't know if all the greats beat Errol, but I do think he be a tough task for plenty of em.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Feroz

              Well it is an interesting topic, at least to me it is. If I am being honest, I think recency bias is also taking affect with Crawford, because it is difficult to gauge where he stands when there isn't exactly sufficient P4P skilled opposition in the same division besides Errol.

              Still though solid resume, three division champion with wins over the likes of Kell Brook, Shawn Porter and Errol Spence. Obviously he is up there, but I wouldn't know if he beat a top ATG with such certainty. He has 100% KOs at 147, is one of the smoothest switch hitters like Hagler, and doesn't have any noteworthy deficiencies. He is a tough task for anyone fighting this guy.
              Both guys are up there with the likes of Starling, Honeyghan, Cuevas and Curry.

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                #17
                Originally posted by F l i c k e r
                I am an OG team Spence member on Scene but I will say this.

                If the WW's have more hand speed than him. They will likely beat him.

                Like the great WW's, Sugar Ray Leonard? They can beat Spence most likely. Tommy Hearns would beat Spence. Guys with hand speed and can crack would probably give him an L.

                Duran would give him hell. Wilfred Benitez would give him hell. He would probably beat both though but these are 50/50 fights.

                I think Spence beats the rest though. He's strong has good power. That's enough to get around many of the rest of the great WW's. Whitaker might decision him but at the same time he could probably win the way Oscar did as well. So, I think post-Crawford that Spence's stock definitely took a hit but he's still one of the better WWs for history.
                Good stuff bro

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by TheIronMike

                  Both guys are up there with the likes of Starling, Honeyghan, Cuevas and Curry.
                  I'm thinking Oba Carr

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Feroz

                    Timothy Bradley? I don't know about that, Shawn Porter was a tough task for most fighters today and Bradley is a natural 140 pounder. Errol's size advantage and style (pressure like the pacman) might give him the edge.

                    Porter had won against Ugas and Danny Garcia, he also was a more difficult task for Crawford than Spence was based on styles.
                    Bradley had won against Pac and Marquez
                    >>>>>>> Porter wins over Ugas/Danny

                    Spence wouldn't land sh.it against Bradley

                    Bud barely moved around and spence couldn't do sh.it

                    porter was coming at him walking forward to Spence's punches!!

                    Bradley boxes spence ears off to a comfortable UD win
                    Last edited by RuleOfTheSpear; 01-13-2024, 09:40 PM.

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