So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[ShoulderRoll]

It didn't take Nonito failing a test to enroll. It's safe to say if Canelo never failed, he never would've signed up. And so what, he did it for a year and suddenly that's that? Canelo has the money himself to pay for testing, like Nonito did, but I doubt he's continuing it. Like I said, don't compare Canelo to Donaire.

Both Canelo and Donaire enrolled in 24/7/365 VADA testing so they are comparable in that sense.

Anyway, the point was that this type of testing is different from the WBC Clean Boxing Program which is limited in how many tests it will pay for.

[IronDanHamza]

If the test and HGH levels were atypical then by definition they weren’t common. Right?

Depending on the levels, not that uncommon, no. Some people naturally have higher test, some people have naturally lower test. There are a plethora of factors as to why that may be.

Its objectively more common than Rhabdo which is an uncommon condition.

Both examples being linked with PED use, so again, neither are more reason for su****ion than the other.

Rhabdo happens to Crossfitters and marathon runners and others due to extreme exertion. Without PEDs having been involved. So of course it’s arguable.

Right and elevated test levels can happen to anyone, without PED's having been involved as well. So, no, not really arguable.

They are as su****ious as one another.

When and for how long did Beterbiev enroll in 24/7/365 VADA testing? Was it for as long as Canelo?

From what I can gather, in 2016.

I don't know how long he did it for, nor does it matter. When you deemed Canelo "likely clean" it had nothing to do with 365 VADA testing it was just down to the simple fact he was enrolled in VADA.

Beterbiev is both enrolled in VADA and also did 365 VADA. So, how can your position not be that he is likely clean?

[AKAcronym]

Both Canelo and Donaire enrolled in 24/7/365 VADA testing so they are comparable in that sense.

Anyway, the point was that this type of testing is different from the WBC Clean Boxing Program which is limited in how many tests it will pay for.

Can you imagine if Canelo didn’t enroll after he failed his tests? He was pretty much forced to. Nonito did it on his own accord. So no, they aren’t comparable.

[ShoulderRoll]

Depending on the levels, not that uncommon, no. Some people naturally have higher test, some people have naturally lower test. There are a plethora of factors as to why that may be.

Its objectively more common than Rhabdo which is an uncommon condition.

Both examples being linked with PED use, so again, neither are more reason for su****ion than the other.



Right and elevated test levels can happen to anyone, without PED's having been involved as well. So, no, not really arguable.

They are as su****ious as one another.





From what I can gather, in 2016.

I don't know how long he did it for, nor does it matter. When you deemed Canelo "likely clean" it had nothing to do with 365 VADA testing it was just down to the simple fact he was enrolled in VADA.

Beterbiev is both enrolled in VADA and also did 365 VADA. So, how can your position not be that he is likely clean?

According to the National Institutes of Health there are on average 26,000 cases of rhabdo in the US per year…how many cases of atypically elevated test and HGH levels in 39 year olds are there?

Canelo has done VADA testing for almost every single fight since Golovkin II. Including 24/7/365 testing for a time and also for 4 training camps in the space of one calendar year. Thats why I said he was likely clean. Post your source for Beterbiev doing 24/7/365 VADA testing.

[ShoulderRoll]

Can you imagine if Canelo didn’t enroll after he failed his tests? He was pretty much forced to. Nonito did it on his own accord. So no, they aren’t comparable.

They aren’t comparable in the reasons why they enrolled. But they are comparable in that they both enrolled.

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he's on HGH.

look at the size of his head. it's grown much bigger. his nose is starting to grow deformed. look at that pic in the poster


look at the tip of the nose .it's grown so weird at the tip

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[AKAcronym]

They aren’t comparable in the reasons why they enrolled. But they are comparable in that they both enrolled.

Then they aren’t comparable.

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According to the National Institutes of Health there are on average 26,000 cases of rhabdo in the US per year…how many cases of atypically elevated test and HGH levels in 39 year olds are there?

Canelo has done VADA testing for almost every single fight since Golovkin II. Including 24/7/365 testing for a time and also for 4 training camps in the space of one calendar year. Thats why I said he was likely clean. Post your source for Beterbiev doing 24/7/365 VADA testing.

So because he's never failed a test since the two failed tests?


Beterbiev is on the VADA site as being enrolled with VADA, but they don't make the distinction (that I've found) between VADA and VADA 365

[ShoulderRoll]

Then they aren’t comparable.

It is a fact that both Nonito and Canelo did 24/7/365 VADA testing.

[IronDanHamza]

According to the National Institutes of Health there are on average 26,000 cases of rhabdo in the US per year…how many cases of atypically elevated test and HGH levels in 39 year olds are there?

Right, you don't need to tell me how rare that PED linked condition is.

How many? There isn't a number to my knowledge but I'd imagine it's a lot more than that.

It's neither here nor there, both are very obvious reasons for su****ion.

To deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite is ******.

Canelo has done VADA testing for almost every single fight since Golovkin II. Including 24/7/365 testing for a time and also for 4 training camps in the space of one calendar year. Thats why I said he was likely clean. Post your source for Beterbiev doing 24/7/365 VADA testing.

Stevenson, Bute, Alvarez, Beterbiev Join WBC/VADA Program - Boxing News (boxingscene.com)

From what I can gather, this source from 2016 says that Beterbiev enrolled in 365 VADA testing.

Perhaps CasperUK can clarify since he alleges Beterbiev does 365 VADA.

Everything you just said about Canelo is also the case for Beterbiev and on top of that Beterbiev has never failed a drug test.

But to you, the one who failed multiple drug tests is "likely clean" and the one who has never failed a drug test is "very suspect."

How could you possibly hold that opinion?