Comments Thread For: Hearn: If Joshua Demolishes Two People Fury Struggled With, People Start To Believe AJ Can Beat Fury

[PRINCEKOOL]

The only people who can and will deny this? Are hardcore Fury fans 'The general public are in part easy to read, in terms of how they will react to the results of fights'.

The best promoters in the world, know what fights to make for their fighters 'In order to build narratives and apply pressure to the Champions'.

Wallin & Nagnnou 'Those two fights for Joshua at this stage of his career, and with his goals? They are great match making'.

Note: Fury's resume and mythical all time great abilities 'Have all been taking hits of late'. And the hits will continue to come if Joshua can keep on winning vs the right opponents.

Fury did not beat Ngannou, the world saw this. Fury was given the decision. If Joshua can beat Ngannou, for real 'Then all this does is apply pressure to Tyson Fury'.

Fury used to be able to just SPEAK wins into resume i.e If Fury proclaimed that a certain fighter was not worthy of his challenge, then automatically Fury was given the credit of being superior to those fighters '90% of Fury's actual resume and reputation is built up off fights he has never fought in'.

You can clearly see that Fury's hardcore fans are extremely apprehensive right now, it is pretty much at tipping point for them.

Note: A few weeks back? I stated that, people should not be surprised if Fury's hardcore fans start to create a new narrative 'And the narrative will be that Fury does not have to fight Joshua'.

As I have stated before in other threads, the dynamic between the top-4 fighters is not fixed 'Fury is just about hanging on to his number 1 rating, Uysk is charging towards him, Joshua is reoccupying territory both inside the boxing ring, and within universal perception, and Wilder has just suffered a catastrophic hit' etc.

[deathofaclown]

AJ's best win is still a Fury leftover

So it doesn't matter much.

[thack]

'Unless Fury is gone'. Hate this nonsense.

If they fight, the best man will win. Don't make excuses before it's even happened!

Fury had no excuses against boxing novice Ngannou but he was best described by his father as a fat but skinny fighter. With his mental problems it's not as straight forward as most .IF the Fury that did over Wilder 3 times turns up he beats both Usyk and Joshua , IF he turns up like he did v Ngannou they both have a chance to beat him ....no excuses.

[angkag]

Fury had no excuses against boxing novice Ngannou but he was best described by his father as a fat but skinny fighter. With his mental problems it's not as straight forward as most .IF the Fury that did over Wilder 3 times turns up he beats both Usyk and Joshua , IF he turns up like he did v Ngannou they both have a chance to beat him ....no excuses.

I think there were also differences in the Fury that showed up against Wilder. The Fury in II looked to ne far sharper and conditioned than the one in III. There is no standard Fury, there are multiple versions depending on whatever mental space he has been in leading up to the fight. Predicting Fury vs Joshua or anyone else depends on which Fury shows up. If its Wilder II version, its advantage Fury. Any lesser version the advantage decreases.

[LAchargers373]

Pretty confused with people who say fury “had trouble” with wallin lmao. Scorecards we’re like 111-101 across the board I’m not sure how that constitutes struggling but Eddie gon be Eddie lol

[PRINCEKOOL]

AJ's best win is still a Fury leftover

So it doesn't matter much.

Fury's left over? Joshua beat the version of Kiltschko 'Who Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch'.

Fury did not inflicted a conclusive or brutal enough loss on Kiltschko in order for him to retire 'That was why he initiated his rematch vs Fury'.

Effectively what happened when Kiltschko initiated his rematch vs Fury 'Was that the competition between the two fighters developed into a battle'.

Fury quite simply did not turn up to fight that battle vs Kiltschko unfortunately due to his circumstance 'It was Joshua who stepped up and fought off the version of Kiltschko who Fury should of fought in their rematch'.

Note: April 28th 2017 'Wladimir Kiltscko vs Anthony Joshua was when the Heavyweight Division conclusively was taken into a complete new dynasty. Anthony Joshua beat up and knocked out Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years, KIltschko left in all in the ring and was forced to retire.

Anthony Joshua did that in his 19th professional fight, not Tyson Fury 'It was Joshua who fought off Kiltschko for Tyson Fury'.

And here we are all these years later? Fury was decked and beaten up by Ngannou, Fury did not win the fight 'But he was given the decision'.

Many people in mass within the boxing community since that fight all agree, that somebody has got to fight Ngannou 'Somebody has got to step up and beat this man, somebody has to fight this guy off'.

Once again just like in 2017, Anthony Joshua is stepping up 'To fight off a battle vs Ngannou, that Tyson Fury started'.

I am well aware that Tyson Fury's win vs Wladimir Kiltschko is a mega win 'In terms of historical significant. But Fury was not the Heavyweight fighter who conclusively beat Kiltschko and forced him to retrie, Fury was not the fighter who took the Heavyweight division into a new Dynasty. Anthony Joshua was that fighter' etc.

[M312]

Fury had no excuses against boxing novice Ngannou but he was best described by his father as a fat but skinny fighter. With his mental problems it's not as straight forward as most .IF the Fury that did over Wilder 3 times turns up he beats both Usyk and Joshua , IF he turns up like he did v Ngannou they both have a chance to beat him ....no excuses.

In your opinion.

And in your 12000 posts, you have made many errors.

No need to prep your excuses early.

[Hustle]

Fury's left over? Joshua beat the version of Kiltschko 'Who Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch'.

Fury did not inflicted a conclusive or brutal enough loss on Kiltschko in order for him to retire 'That was why he initiated his rematch vs Fury'.

Effectively what happened when Kiltschko initiated his rematch vs Fury 'Was that the competition between the two fighters developed into a battle'.

Fury quite simply did not turn up to fight that battle vs Kiltschko unfortunately due to his circumstance 'It was Joshua who stepped up and fought off the version of Kiltschko who Fury should of fought in their rematch'.

Note: April 28th 2017 'Wladimir Kiltscko vs Anthony Joshua was when the Heavyweight Division conclusively was taken into a complete new dynasty. Anthony Joshua beat up and knocked out Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years, KIltschko left in all in the ring and was forced to retire.

Anthony Joshua did that in his 19th professional fight, not Tyson Fury 'It was Joshua who fought off Kiltschko for Tyson Fury'.

And here we are all these years later? Fury was decked and beaten up by Ngannou, Fury did not win the fight 'But he was given the decision'.

Many people in mass within the boxing community since that fight all agree, that somebody has got to fight Ngannou 'Somebody has got to step up and beat this man, somebody has to fight this guy off'.

Once again just like in 2017, Anthony Joshua is stepping up 'To fight off a battle vs Ngannou, that Tyson Fury started'.

I am well aware that Tyson Fury's win vs Wladimir Kiltschko is a mega win 'In terms of historical significant. But Fury was not the Heavyweight fighter who conclusively beat Kiltschko and forced him to retrie, Fury was not the fighter who took the Heavyweight division into a new Dynasty. Anthony Joshua was that fighter' etc.

Joshua won titles that fury left behind after beating wlad....

You can spin it anyway you want, but fury beat the heavyweight champ. Joshua didnt

[deathofaclown]

Fury's left over? Joshua beat the version of Kiltschko 'Who Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch'.

Fury did not inflicted a conclusive or brutal enough loss on Kiltschko in order for him to retire 'That was why he initiated his rematch vs Fury'.

Effectively what happened when Kiltschko initiated his rematch vs Fury 'Was that the competition between the two fighters developed into a battle'.

Fury quite simply did not turn up to fight that battle vs Kiltschko unfortunately due to his circumstance 'It was Joshua who stepped up and fought off the version of Kiltschko who Fury should of fought in their rematch'.

Note: April 28th 2017 'Wladimir Kiltscko vs Anthony Joshua was when the Heavyweight Division conclusively was taken into a complete new dynasty. Anthony Joshua beat up and knocked out Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years, KIltschko left in all in the ring and was forced to retire.

Anthony Joshua did that in his 19th professional fight, not Tyson Fury 'It was Joshua who fought off Kiltschko for Tyson Fury'.

And here we are all these years later? Fury was decked and beaten up by Ngannou, Fury did not win the fight 'But he was given the decision'.

Many people in mass within the boxing community since that fight all agree, that somebody has got to fight Ngannou 'Somebody has got to step up and beat this man, somebody has to fight this guy off'.

Once again just like in 2017, Anthony Joshua is stepping up 'To fight off a battle vs Ngannou, that Tyson Fury started'.

I am well aware that Tyson Fury's win vs Wladimir Kiltschko is a mega win 'In terms of historical significant. But Fury was not the Heavyweight fighter who conclusively beat Kiltschko and forced him to retrie, Fury was not the fighter who took the Heavyweight division into a new Dynasty. Anthony Joshua was that fighter' etc.

Yet all AJ's belts were ones Fury never lost in the ring.

AJ also ducked him twice last year, comfimed by his own team. That was a chance for AJ to finally win a belt from a legit champion, he refused. Fury beat guys ranked in the top 3 for all his belts.

"AJ took heavyweheavy boxing into a new dynasty" - yes and no. Without Fury taking Wlad's belts, the division wouldn't have opened up in that fashion.

AJ only ever lead the way during the absence of Fury. Fury really returned in the end of 2018 in terms of big fights when he fought Wilder. Aj got his arse handed to him by Ruiz in his next fight after that and in reality, Fury then went on to become the consensus number 1 in the division and went on to break attendance records with bigger attendances than AJ managed.

So when you look at the realities, AJ always played second fiddle to Fury once Fury returned. He was ranked above AJ by everyone, started outselling AJ in tickets and also become champ again by beating another fighter considered legit top 3 for their belt, which AJ never really did.

AJ certainly helped the popularity with boxing in the UK, 100%.

Aside from that, Fury has the better big wins, he's held every belt, pretty much always been ranked above AJ when they're active, all AJ's belts are ones Fury never lost in the ring, and Fury also overtook AJ in terms of selling tickets.

These are facts and AJ fanboys can't handle it. On top of all that, AJ ducked him twice in the last year.

AJ never wanted to fight Fury. AJ fans lie and say Fury ducked him in 2019 and 2021. How is that possible? 2019 AJ was scheduled to fight Miller, ended up fighting Ruiz and lost, then had his rematch to deal with, so the fight was never a reality. 2020 was covid. 2021 the abrtitation ruled Fury had to fight Wilder, so no AJ fight. It was never on the cards. Fury has only ever sent formal offers and contracts to AJ, never the other way around...

[Southpaw16]

The thing is, Fury has a long history of looking bad and looking sloppy but still getting the job done. I was shocked when he beat Klitschko. My reasoning was if Steve Cunningham hurts him badly, Klitschko knocks his head clean off. Fury went into the fight with Klitschko, did some herky jerky crazy stuff, looked terrible, and got the win, and we’ve seen this time and time again.