Comments Thread For: Crawford, Inoue Remain a Debate Apart: P4P Update

[crimsonfalcon07]

Estrada only turned down a fight where he was lowballed.

Either way I think we agree that he's just as good as Beterbiev for P4P consideration.

[ShoulderRoll]

Either way I think we agree that he's just as good as Beterbiev for P4P consideration.

Yes.

And I agree with dropping guys for inactivity. But in the case of Beterbiev and Estrada their last fights were just one month apart.

[The D3vil]

What are these people watching that they keep ranking Tank so highly?

I mean, the dude's never beaten a top 5 fighter in his own weight class.

His best win is against an Instagram influencer.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Yes.

And I agree with dropping guys for inactivity. But in the case of Beterbiev and Estrada their last fights were just one month apart.

As I said before, the difference could be the reason for the inactivity. Beterbiev had a fight booked and a documented medical exception. Estrada... doesn't. Whatever the reason, he's CHOSEN to sit out, not been forced to sit out. Beterbiev is fighting Saturday. Estrada doesn't even have anything booked.

[ShoulderRoll]

As I said before, the difference could be the reason for the inactivity. Beterbiev had a fight booked and a documented medical exception. Estrada... doesn't. Whatever the reason, he's CHOSEN to sit out, not been forced to sit out. Beterbiev is fighting Saturday. Estrada doesn't even have anything booked.

Inactivity is inactivity. Regardless of the reason.

[Elheath]

As I said before, the difference could be the reason for the inactivity. Beterbiev had a fight booked and a documented medical exception. Estrada... doesn't. Whatever the reason, he's CHOSEN to sit out, not been forced to sit out. Beterbiev is fighting Saturday. Estrada doesn't even have anything booked.

I think it is simply an one year cutoff line, or possibly on whether they fought within 2023 or not.

Estrada last fought in Dec 3rd 2022. Beterbiev last fought in January 28th 2023. The list was updated on January 7th 2024 so Beterbiev was less than one year (barely, but still within) inactive and also fought in 2023 where Estrada was just outside both marks.

[Josef Devu]

Inoue is the real number one boxer in the world, 2x undisputed 4x champion in 4 weight classes 26-0 23ko’s
It should be no doubt about who’s gonna he P4P king

[messi807]

Because Bud's Spence win last year was so good that it was enough to keep him at the top for the rest of 2023, but isn't good enough to permanently keep him at top if he stays stagnant while the others in the top 3 make significant advancements or addition to their resume.

Usyk, if he defeats Fury will become the first heavyweight undisputed champion in the four belt era. I personally have very little interest in the HW nowadays, but as mentioned above the HW is still THE division for boxing. Not to mention, this is after already being the first undisputed cruiserweight champion and also arguably the best cruiserweight in history of boxing.

For Crawford, defeating Spence again in an immediate rematch (I know it is Spence that activated the rematch clause but still the point is that Bud isn't doing anything more to help his claim if he doesn't fight Tszyu or Boots this year) doesn't add extra points, because he already got the credit due for defeating him in a convincing way. In a perfect world, there won't be a rematch and instead in that time frame Bud would fight either Boots at 147 or gone up to Tszyu at 154. I think if they fight Bud would win anyway, but actually fighting to put it on the record still counts.

Think of it this way, would people rather see Inoue fight Fulton again in May for a rematch that adds nothing, or him to clear out the next two best guys left in the division in Nery/MJ? Fighting Fulton again when he hasn't shown anything yet since his loss is equivalent to the immediate Spence rematch. Fighting Nery/MJ is the equivalent of Bud fighting Boots, which is fighting the next best guys in the division you are in (even if you are already undisputed and is likely to win), until you are satisfied or decide to go up.

Greatest Cruiserweight of alll time? Cmon now. That’s Holyfield and then CARLOS DE LEON. Uysk 3rd, then maybe Qawi/Haye. Historically it doesn’t have alot of GREAT fighters

[messi807]

Inoue has a history of moving up and challenging the #1 guy in the division, crawford moved up and took 5 almost 6 years to get a unification fight.

Usyk didn't escape anything, a ref made a call and he ran with it, you could argue he milked it but that's by the by.

And the reason he would jump everyone is heavyweight is historically seen as THE DIVISION.

He arguably ran a tougher gauntlet than Holyfield at Cruiserweight and will of certainly beat a better guy to become undisputed, so historically there is a presendencent set by a great already.

And Usyk is arguably the greatest cruiserweight of all time, it's either him or Holyfield and that in and of itself says a lot...

Just looked up the greatest cruisers of all time and I’m yet to see Uysk #1 in ANY article. In fact, they have him behind David Haye in a few. Better cruiser than Holyfield? Definitely not, I know you wouldn’t catch any historian saying that at all.

Uysk just edged Briedis, had problems with Chisora, had problems with Dubois. Beating a Fury that just arguably lost to a 0-0 MMA debutant doesn’t put him P4P #1 or better yet anywhere near fighter of the era. Guys like Vitali/Vlad aren’t regarded as what they are because of just wins & losses, it’s LONGEVITY.

Bud has washed everyone he’s ever fought, never really been in any serious trouble or CLOSE decisions. Doesn’t matter how long it took to get a unification fight.. Manny has never unified in his entire 20+ year career but been P4P #1 numerous amounts of times.

[Boro]

Just looked up the greatest cruisers of all time and I’m yet to see Uysk #1 in ANY article. In fact, they have him behind David Haye in a few. Better cruiser than Holyfield? Definitely not, I know you wouldn’t catch any historian saying that at all.

Uysk just edged Briedis, had problems with Chisora, had problems with Dubois. Beating a Fury that just arguably lost to a 0-0 MMA debutant doesn’t put him P4P #1 or better yet anywhere near fighter of the era. Guys like Vitali/Vlad aren’t regarded as what they are because of just wins & losses, it’s LONGEVITY.

Bud has washed everyone he’s ever fought, never really been in any serious trouble or CLOSE decisions. Doesn’t matter how long it took to get a unification fight.. Manny has never unified in his entire 20+ year career but been P4P #1 numerous amounts of times.

You do realise I specifically stated his run at cruiserweight is better than Holyfields right? Holyfield doesn't have decent cruiserweights on his record apart from Qawi...

David Haye wouldn't even fight Cunningham, he's a joke, Usyk removed all doubt by beating Bellew (champion emeritus) before moving up and Haye didn't achieve anything at Heavyweight either so any list that has him above Usyk is a joke already or is outdated.

If it's about longevity then Wlad would most certainly be on the list wouldn't he ******...

Briedis being close means what, he has competitive fights shocking? and he didn't struggle with Chisora he won soundly same with Dubois...

Bud hasn't washed everyone he's fought that's either rose tinted glasses or your fangirling too hard, you and delusion are really close friends.