Last weekend Wilder fought a contender and Joshua fought another bum.

[Toffee]

I expected Parker to beat Wilder and AJ to beat Wallin. There was no shock for me.

But that wasn't down to the relative standard of their opponents.

I believe firmly that AJ would have beaten Parker and Wallin would have beaten Wilder.

Wilder just isn't very good and he hasn't got better with age and inactivity. Fury aside, this was the most proven fighter he'd ever faced. I couldn't understand them taking the fight when he surely could have just taken another tomato can and then faced Joshua for huge money.

Whereas Joshua was always the better boxer and is still active.

[Toffee]

AJ beat up on his fraudulently ranked sparring partner who turned up for the cheque.

Wilder got beat up by a former world champ who is legitimately ranked as a top contender.

AJ could have fought Wilder without a tune up but DIDN'T. What might have happened had he fought Wilder ?...who knows.

The thing is, he DIDN'T. Never has in 6 years and probably won't because the result would be meaningless now.

That he didn't is a stain on his legacy because he didnt unify to become undisputed champ when he could have.

You're in a hole here. You want to denigrate Joshua's career but make excuses for Wilder in the shape of the opponent he was defeated by.

The problem for you is that Joshua did actively go and unify belts. Something no-one has done in the division since Wlad. When did a heavyweight champion last chase and win two additional belts in separate fights? It was so long ago that I couldn't tell you.

And his second and third belts came against fighters who you need to elevate so that they preserve Joshua's rivals' status. He stopped Klitschko and he beat Parker wide.

So tell me, which of those unifications do you not rate higher than beating Stiverne?

The fact is that Joshua did more to advance towards an Undisputed champion than any of his rivals did. And that's before we get to it being very obvious that he clearly tried to make the undisputed fight. Wilder admitted it, Fury admitted it. It happened.

[kafkod]

AJ beat up on his fraudulently ranked sparring partner who turned up for the cheque.

Wilder got beat up by a former world champ who is legitimately ranked as a top contender.

AJ could have fought Wilder without a tune up but DIDN'T. What might have happened had he fought Wilder ?...who knows.

The thing is, he DIDN'T. Never has in 6 years and probably won't because the result would be meaningless now.

That he didn't is a stain on his legacy because he didnt unify to become undisputed champ when he could have.

Yeah, AJ never fought Wilder in 6 years. And Wilder never fought AJ in 6 years. Funny how that works innit.

[pollywog]

You're in a hole here. You want to denigrate Joshua's career but make excuses for Wilder in the shape of the opponent he was defeated by.

The problem for you is that Joshua did actively go and unify belts. Something no-one has done in the division since Wlad. When did a heavyweight champion last chase and win two additional belts in separate fights? It was so long ago that I couldn't tell you.

And his second and third belts came against fighters who you need to elevate so that they preserve Joshua's rivals' status. He stopped Klitschko and he beat Parker wide.

So tell me, which of those unifications do you not rate higher than beating Stiverne?

The fact is that Joshua did more to advance towards an Undisputed champion than any of his rivals did. And that's before we get to it being very obvious that he clearly tried to make the undisputed fight. Wilder admitted it, Fury admitted it. It happened.

It doesn't matter what Joshua tried to do to unify the belts more than anyone The fact is.He didn't. No one cares about what AJ tried to do. Only about what he did and what he's doing.

A unification for undisputed didnt happen. He tried and failed. Its also a fact he didnt fight Wilder last week when he could have.

Im not making excuses for Wilder im saying he was in a legit fight with a live dog and lost to the better man.

AJ isn't even looking to fight the best anymore. He wants paper champ status for a trash belt gifted to him with zero effort involved.

By your measure. Parker went and actively sought unification too and got jobbed without a rematch for his troubles. A rematch AJ has actively avoided ever since.

One thing you cant take away from Wilder is his courage and heart. He took on Parker last week, AJ didnt. AJ coulda, shoulda and maybe woulda been undisputed, unified champ but he didnt, wouldn't and i believe couldn't.

Prime Wilder woulda ironed AJ out proper and starched him but we'll never know that for sure either.

[daggum]

It doesn't matter what Joshua tried to do to unify the belts more than anyone The fact is.He didn't. No one cares about what AJ tried to do. Only about what he did and what he's doing.

A unification for undisputed didnt happen. He tried and failed. Its also a fact he didnt fight Wilder last week when he could have.

Im not making excuses for Wilder im saying he was in a legit fight with a live dog and lost to the better man.

AJ isn't even looking to fight the best anymore. He wants paper champ status for a trash belt gifted to him with zero effort involved.

By your measure. Parker went and actively sought unification too and got jobbed without a rematch for his troubles. A rematch AJ has actively avoided ever since.

One thing you cant take away from Wilder is his courage and heart. He took on Parker last week, AJ didnt. AJ coulda, shoulda and maybe woulda been undisputed, unified champ but he didnt, wouldn't and i believe couldn't.

Prime Wilder woulda ironed AJ out proper and starched him but we'll never know that for sure either.

wilder fans reduced to saying this. essentially they are saying wilder may not have a resume, has a sh-it knockout ratio(28%) against top 10 contenders but boy oh boy but he has heart and courage! joshua would never dare take on parker! joshua was going to duck wilder anyway derpity derp, joshua joshua joshua, spent so much time focusing on someone else they just ignore wilders lack of everything

[pollywog]

wilder fans reduced to saying this. essentially they are saying wilder may not have a resume, has a sh-it knockout ratio(28%) against top 10 contenders but boy oh boy but he has heart and courage! joshua would never dare take on parker! joshua was going to duck wilder anyway derpity derp, joshua joshua joshua, spent so much time focusing on someone else they just ignore wilders lack of everything

I've not said anything about K.O rates or resumés. Im not a Wilder fan. I can appreciate some of the values he upholds though.

The simple truth you can't deny is this..

AJ did duck Wilder last week and won't call out the guy who beat him. For whatever reason you want to make it doesn't matter.

Wilder's and AJ's legacies are forever linked by what they didnt do rather than what they did. They never fought to unify for undisputed.

Blame whatever or whoever you like but we'll never know what might have happened if they did.

[Slicc]

AJ beat up on his fraudulently ranked sparring partner who turned up for the cheque.

Wallin could've easily gotten a doctor stoppage against Fury, and stunned him in the final round. AJ having been levels above him doesn't mean he was just looking for a cheque.

Wilder got beat up by a former world champ who is legitimately ranked as a top contender.

Parker's a former world champ because he lost his belt to AJ, and he was undefeated at the time lol.

AJ could have fought Wilder without a tune up but DIDN'T. What might have happened had he fought Wilder ?...who knows.

The gun shy Wilder we saw against Parker? Wilder more than likely gets stopped.

[Toffee]

It doesn't matter what Joshua tried to do to unify the belts more than anyone The fact is.He didn't. No one cares about what AJ tried to do. Only about what he did and what he's doing.

A unification for undisputed didnt happen. He tried and failed. Its also a fact he didnt fight Wilder last week when he could have.

Im not making excuses for Wilder im saying he was in a legit fight with a live dog and lost to the better man.

AJ isn't even looking to fight the best anymore. He wants paper champ status for a trash belt gifted to him with zero effort involved.

By your measure. Parker went and actively sought unification too and got jobbed without a rematch for his troubles. A rematch AJ has actively avoided ever since.

One thing you cant take away from Wilder is his courage and heart. He took on Parker last week, AJ didnt. AJ coulda, shoulda and maybe woulda been undisputed, unified champ but he didnt, wouldn't and i believe couldn't.

Prime Wilder woulda ironed AJ out proper and starched him but we'll never know that for sure either.

I absolutely give Parker credit for making a unification fight. Exactly the same as Joshua.

I'm not convinced Joshua has avoided the rematch. Who has been calling for that?

Joshua did unify belts. He just did. It's fact. And he did it at an incredibly early stage of his career against good fighters.

As for Joshua avoiding the best. Who? Fury who he signed for before it turned out Fury couldn't get out of his rematch clause? Usyk who he fought twice? Parker who he's already beaten? Hrgovic who you think is such an easy fight that it would make Joshua a paper champ?

Maybe Zhang? The guy who lost to Hrgovic?

There's your top fighters according to TBRB. He's not avoiding them - he's always fought who he needed to.

At some point people will have to accept that this is the guy who brought the division back through attempting to do something we all say that we want. He's been consistent throughout. And here he is as a non-champion and he still has all the expectation on him. And he'll still try to live up to it.

You don't have to rate him as a boxer or as a character to respect that he's always tried to do the right thing.

[15round]

Joshua already had beaten Parker. Wilder couldn’t do the same.

He beat Parker almost six years ago so that doesn't mean much now.

[daggum]

I've not said anything about K.O rates or resumés. Im not a Wilder fan. I can appreciate some of the values he upholds though.

The simple truth you can't deny is this..

AJ did duck Wilder last week and won't call out the guy who beat him. For whatever reason you want to make it doesn't matter.

Wilder's and AJ's legacies are forever linked by what they didnt do rather than what they did. They never fought to unify for undisputed.

Blame whatever or whoever you like but we'll never know what might have happened if they did.

the money wasnt there for the joshua wilder fight last week. they literally tried to make it so i have no idea what you are talking about. wilder himself said the money wasnt there but its joshua ducking? sorry but no. joshua already has plans to fight hrgovic who is a top guy. now hes ducking parker? a guy he already beat? sorry but no. joshuas legacy does not hinge on a wilder fight because wilder was not that good. joshuas resume stands up without wilder. wilders resume does not stand up without joshua or a top tier win which he does not have. you are the one who keeps bringing up joshua and wilder. it was always wilder fans like i said. its because wilder doesnt have much to stand on besides fantasy fights. joshuas career moves on. the joshua wilder fight was not make or break for joshua. it was make or break for wilder and he didnt want to take it and now hes failed to even get to it. dont blame joshua for that. blame wilder.