Should Wilder fire Malik Scott and Jay Deas?

[IronDanHamza]

The discussion sidetrack was specifically about using physiques as a basis for suspecting PED use.

Obviously Ngannou looks like a user. Wilder does not.

Well, I hate to break it to you but in boxing, and most sports outside of Professional Bodybuilding, using someone's aesthetic physique is not only not evidence for someone's PED use but it's not even an indicator.

Wilder looks no less of a user than Ngannou does if we are to base it on physical attributes of a combat sports athlete that's likely to be using PED's. Frankly your understanding on PED use in general is extremely limited, that much is very clear coming from someone who's isn't. You're equating big muscles to someone who "looks like a user" when in specific sports like boxing we know demonstrably that isn't the case, in fact, in combat sports it's often not the case. See known PED abusers such as Jon Jones, Anderson Silva etc

Go one further and look at known PED users with physiques that aren't even aesthetically impressive at all - Brandon Rios, Chris Arreola, Jarrell Miller, Dillian Whyte. I mean taking Jarrell Miller as a glaring example; He was on multiple of THE gold standard PED's you can get hold of, yet is not in any kind of aesthetically impressive shape.

You can have your su****ions, that's fine. You can of course have your opinion, as baseless as it may be. What you can't do is go around saying Ngannou is "assuredly on PED's" with zero evidence.

What you definitely can't do is assert someone is "assuredly on PED's" with zero evidence whilst claiming a PED cheat in Canelo is "likely clean". That is just frankly fuckin ******. It's as ****** as it gets.


You've made the claim that Floyd Mayweather is a clean athlete, whilst at the same time said Francis Ngannou is assuredly on PED's.

Please, break down and justify how you could possibly hold that opinion.

And stop avoiding it like you've been doing.

[_Rexy_]

Ann Wolfe wouldn’t be a “yes person” kissing his ass all the time, that’s for sure.

Yeah, but Deontay would get CTE before his next fight. Ann's fighters kill themselves in sparring.

[ShoulderRoll]

Well, I hate to break it to you but in boxing, and most sports outside of Professional Bodybuilding, using someone's aesthetic physique is not only not evidence for someone's PED use but it's not even an indicator.

Wilder looks no less of a user than Ngannou does if we are to base it on physical attributes of a combat sports athlete that's likely to be using PED's. Frankly your understanding on PED use in general is extremely limited, that much is very clear coming from someone who's isn't. You're equating big muscles to someone who "looks like a user" when in specific sports like boxing we know demonstrably that isn't the case, in fact, in combat sports it's often not the case. See known PED abusers such as Jon Jones, Anderson Silva etc

Go one further and look at known PED users with physiques that aren't even aesthetically impressive at all - Brandon Rios, Chris Arreola, Jarrell Miller, Dillian Whyte. I mean taking Jarrell Miller as a glaring example; He was on multiple of THE gold standard PED's you can get hold of, yet is not in any kind of aesthetically impressive shape.

You can have your su****ions, that's fine. You can of course have your opinion, as baseless as it may be. What you can't do is go around saying Ngannou is "assuredly on PED's" with zero evidence.

What you definitely can't do is assert someone is "assuredly on PED's" with zero evidence whilst claiming a PED cheat in Canelo is "likely clean". That is just frankly fuckin ******. It's as ****** as it gets.


You've made the claim that Floyd Mayweather is a clean athlete, whilst at the same time said Francis Ngannou is assuredly on PED's.

Please, break down and justify how you could possibly hold that opinion.

And stop avoiding it like you've been doing.

Jarrell Miller is huge. Someone was even commenting on the size of his traps on Saturday in the round by round thread and saying how you can tell he used PEDs.

[IronDanHamza]

Jarrell Miller is huge. Someone was even commenting on the size of his traps on Saturday in the round by round thread and saying how you can tell he used PEDs.

Right, yeah, so all of that just went way over your head clearly. Cong**** on addressing none of it.

Well, yeah, Jarrel Miller is someone who we know has abused PED's in his life so it's no surprise he has big muscles, that isn't a hot take. The point is he's not in aesthetically impressive shape, is he? And never has been. He's 330 lbs and has a body fat % of about 30+%. Yes I'm sure he's an incredibly strong specimen but that's totally besides the point here because you are talking aesthetics to assert Ngannou is on PED's when aesthetics are close to irrelevant in that regard, as shown with a plethora of combat sports athletes and sport specific athletes in general who are known PED users as I've just explained to you.

You can't make that assertion based on that when it comes to fighting, again, it's just ******. Even more so when you also claim drug cheats like Canelo are "likely clean" at the same time. At that point you are entering the realms of absurdity. It's the equivalent to saying putting petrol on a fire will extinguish the flames.


How about you just stop avoiding the question like a coward and justify how you've made the claim that Floyd Mayweather is a clean athlete, whilst at the same time said Francis Ngannou is assuredly on PED's.

Please, break down and justify how you could possibly hold that opinion.

[real raw]

Wilder needs to get off the magic mushrooms

[ShoulderRoll]

Right, yeah, so all of that just went way over your head clearly. Cong**** on addressing none of it.

Well, yeah, Jarrel Miller is someone who we know has abused PED's in his life so it's no surprise he has big muscles, that isn't a hot take. The point is he's not in aesthetically impressive shape, is he? And never has been. He's 330 lbs and has a body fat % of about 30+%. Yes I'm sure he's an incredibly strong specimen but that's totally besides the point here because you are talking aesthetics to assert Ngannou is on PED's when aesthetics are close to irrelevant in that regard, as shown with a plethora of combat sports athletes and sport specific athletes in general who are known PED users as I've just explained to you.

You can't make that assertion based on that when it comes to fighting, again, it's just ******. Even more so when you also claim drug cheats like Canelo are "likely clean" at the same time. At that point you are entering the realms of absurdity. It's the equivalent to saying putting petrol on a fire will extinguish the flames.


How about you just stop avoiding the question like a coward and justify how you've made the claim that Floyd Mayweather is a clean athlete, whilst at the same time said Francis Ngannou is assuredly on PED's.

Please, break down and justify how you could possibly hold that opinion.

Did I say anything about aesthetically impressive shape anywhere, Dan? I sad you could suspect PEDs by the look of someone’s physique. As in the case of Ngannou and Miller, as compared to someone like Wilder.

And I don’t claim it as absolute proof. Just as a basis for su****ion.

[Spray_resistant]

Ann is overhyped af as a trainer. All I seen her do is torture Kirkland while hitting a heavy bag while jogging in combat boots. She's like the David Goggins of boxing trainers.

You're right, people think more is better and those people don't know anything about training. This isn't DBZ where you can just train more and harder to get your power level over 9000!!!! You have to have the right methods for specification, time under tension, rest, and the right diet.

In regards to Wilder, its too late he's an old dog in boxing too old to learn new tricks so he might as well stick with his yes man buddy Malik since he's comfortable with him.

[ShoulderRoll]

I have to say that Andy Lee did a great job, that corner looked professional. Unlike the amateur hour going on on the opposite side.

[Smash]

they are not quite snakes yet but if they say something disrespectful to the media then maybe

[IronDanHamza]

Did I say anything about aesthetically impressive shape anywhere, Dan? I sad you could suspect PEDs by the look of someone’s physique. As in the case of Ngannou and Miller, as compared to someone like Wilder.

And I don’t claim it as absolute proof. Just as a basis for su****ion.

Yes that is literally your argument His physique. Secondly, you asserted "assuredly" in regards to Ngannou's PED use, that's not a su****ion that's a statement. This isn't the first time I've suggested to you to look up the words you use.

You are failing to grasp that Ngannou's physique is no more su****ious than Wilder's. Deontay Wilder is a one in a trillion human being if we are going to talk about his capabilities as an athlete. I'd think based on solely su****ion, he'd be one of the leading candidates for someone who is very likely to use PED's.

That's your problem, you pick and chose what suits you. "Ngannou is assuredly on PED's" why? "Because of his physique at 37 years old." you then say "Wilder is clean" when the man is 38 years old, shredded to death and punches harder than almost anyone that's ever walked the planet. And you think that it's reasonable to assert one is on PED's whilst the other is clean. It's preposterous and it's frankly staggering that it eludes you.

And that's just Wilder, you went as far as to say CANELO is likely clean, someone who has literally used PED's whilst Ngannou, someone who has never been caught using PED's is "assuredly on PEDs".....Surely I do not need to break down to you why that is an EXTRAORDINARILY absurd position to take?


How about you just stop avoiding the question like a coward and justify how you've made the claim that Floyd Mayweather is a clean athlete, whilst at the same time said Francis Ngannou is assuredly on PED's.

Please, break down and justify how you could possibly hold that opinion.