Comments Thread For: Alexandro Santiago-Junto Nakatani Tops February 24 Title Fight Tripleheader In Tokyo

[crimsonfalcon07]

Why is Nakatani fighting for the belt?

Because he's the existing WBO titlist at the weight class below, which entitles him to a shot moving up against the WBO champ there.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Lol

Japan wouldn’t pay for Estrada to fight Ioka.

They absolutely did. They offered way more money than Estrada is going to get from anyone else for any other fight, but Estrada ducked Ioka. You see Estrada fighting ANYONE right now? El Pato doesn't want any smoke.

[ShoulderRoll]

They absolutely did. They offered way more money than Estrada is going to get from anyone else for any other fight, but Estrada ducked Ioka. You see Estrada fighting ANYONE right now? El Pato doesn't want any smoke.

Are you aware of Estrada’s resume? The guy obviously isn’t afraid of ANYONE.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Are you aware of Estrada’s resume? The guy obviously isn’t afraid of ANYONE.

Of course I'm aware of Estrada's resume. Doesn't mean he's not ducking now. Just like if Canelo fights Munguía he's ducking Benavidez and Morrell, despite his resume.

If you're going to turn down your best available payday to fight lesser competition for less money, what do you call that? I call it a duck.

[Elheath]

Are you aware of Estrada’s resume? The guy obviously isn’t afraid of ANYONE.

Except Inoue who Estrada continues to hint of fighting when he obviously doesn't want any part of. Decided to go for SSR instead of Inoue when he challenged for the first belt in 115. Goes crickets while Inoue was in 115 but starts saying how he is willing to fight Inoue at 118 after Inoue vacated and went up to 118 to fight in WBSS. But then stays at 115 the whole four years Inoue spends in 118, and only after it became certain that Inoue will stay in 122 and not return to 118 then he announces he will go up to 118.

One thing for certain, Estrada is definitely delusional of his individual financial worth tho, for sure. He was offered a solid amount of money to have a unification match at 115 with Ioka in New Years Eve in Japan, but turned it down because he said it was less than what he got against Choco. But in that case, who is he going to fight next in 118 that will give him more money than Ioka unification would have? He isn't getting Choco IV, Takuma and Nakatani and Santiago has a match scheduled in February and Moloney on January. That leaves a title bout with Emmanual Rodriguez the only other fight he could possibly aim for that could possibly pay more than Ioka, but I'm not sure if he is willing totake the challenge.

[ShoulderRoll]

Except Inoue who Estrada continues to hint of fighting when he obviously doesn't want any part of. Decided to go for SSR instead of Inoue when he challenged for the first belt in 115. Goes crickets while Inoue was in 115 but starts saying how he is willing to fight Inoue at 118 after Inoue vacated and went up to 118 to fight in WBSS. But then stays at 115 the whole four years Inoue spends in 118, and only after it became certain that Inoue will stay in 122 and not return to 118 then he announces he will go up to 118.

One thing for certain, Estrada is definitely delusional of his individual financial worth tho, for sure. He was offered a solid amount of money to have a unification match at 115 with Ioka in New Years Eve in Japan, but turned it down because he said it was less than what he got against Choco. But in that case, who is he going to fight next in 118 that will give him more money than Ioka unification would have? He isn't getting Choco IV, Takuma and Nakatani and Santiago has a match scheduled in February and Moloney on January. That leaves a title bout with Emmanual Rodriguez the only other fight he could possibly aim for that could possibly pay more than Ioka, but I'm not sure if he is willing totake the challenge.

Lol. Come on, you can’t be serious.

Inoue somehow managed to pass through those lower weight classes without fighting Estrada. Or Chocolatito. Or Sor Rungvisai. Or Carlos Cuadras. Yet they all managed to fight each other.

Estrada isn’t the ducker here.

[Elheath]

Lol. Come on, you can’t be serious.

Inoue somehow managed to pass through those lower weight classes without fighting Estrada. Or Chocolatito. Or Sor Rungvisai. Or Carlos Cuadras. Yet they all managed to fight each other.

Estrada isn’t the ducker here.

And it has been explained multiple times, Inoue offered to fight them, especially Chocolatito multiple times and they all looked the other direction. They all fought eachother because they saw eachother as the easier opponent compared to Inoue, but it just backfired at them.

Chocolatito was offered a match for the belt when he first came up but took up Cuadras instead stating not enough money. Inoue was at the Cuadras-Chocolatito match and offered a unification match to the winner. Instead of taking the unification offer, Chocolatito decided to defend against SSR who had lost to Cuadras a few years ago...if that isn't a duck by a champion I don't know what a duck is, except Choco lost and then demanded for an immediate rematch with SSR. In the mean time, Estrada chose to fight Cuadras to become the mandatory to the winner of SSR-Choco II instead of fighting Inoue immediately for the actual WBO belt. In the mean time WBA and IBF champs went crickets the whole time as if they were in the alternate universe.

If Choco wasn't scared of Inoue, why did he decide to take on a mandatory defense against a guy who had already lost to Cuadras, the guy he just defeated to gain the belt? If Estrada wasn't scared of Inoue, why didn't he just fight for the belt directly instead of fighting Cuadras so that he can become a mandatory challenger to another belt?

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And it has been explained multiple times, Inoue offered to fight them, especially Chocolatito multiple times and they all looked the other direction. They all fought eachother because they saw eachother as the easier opponent compared to Inoue, but it just backfired at them.

Chocolatito was offered a match for the belt when he first came up but took up Cuadras instead stating not enough money. Inoue was at the Cuadras-Chocolatito match and offered a unification match to the winner. Instead of taking the unification offer, Chocolatito decided to defend against SSR who had lost to Cuadras a few years ago...if that isn't a duck by a champion I don't know what a duck is, except Choco lost and then demanded for an immediate rematch with SSR. In the mean time, Estrada chose to fight Cuadras to become the mandatory to the winner of SSR-Choco II instead of fighting Inoue immediately for the actual WBO belt. In the mean time WBA and IBF champs went crickets the whole time as if they were in the alternate universe.

If Choco wasn't scared of Inoue, why did he decide to take on a mandatory defense against a guy who had already lost to Cuadras, the guy he just defeated to gain the belt? If Estrada wasn't scared of Inoue, why didn't he just fight for the belt directly instead of fighting Cuadras so that he can become a mandatory challenger to another belt?

I mean, they all managed to fight each other. Inoue is the one who managed not to fight a single one of them.

The proof is in the resumes at the end of the day.

[drablj]

And it has been explained multiple times, Inoue offered to fight them, especially Chocolatito multiple times and they all looked the other direction. They all fought eachother because they saw eachother as the easier opponent compared to Inoue, but it just backfired at them.

Chocolatito was offered a match for the belt when he first came up but took up Cuadras instead stating not enough money. Inoue was at the Cuadras-Chocolatito match and offered a unification match to the winner. Instead of taking the unification offer, Chocolatito decided to defend against SSR who had lost to Cuadras a few years ago...if that isn't a duck by a champion I don't know what a duck is, except Choco lost and then demanded for an immediate rematch with SSR. In the mean time, Estrada chose to fight Cuadras to become the mandatory to the winner of SSR-Choco II instead of fighting Inoue immediately for the actual WBO belt. In the mean time WBA and IBF champs went crickets the whole time as if they were in the alternate universe.

If Choco wasn't scared of Inoue, why did he decide to take on a mandatory defense against a guy who had already lost to Cuadras, the guy he just defeated to gain the belt? If Estrada wasn't scared of Inoue, why didn't he just fight for the belt directly instead of fighting Cuadras so that he can become a mandatory challenger to another belt?

this is not completely true. there was no ducking at 115. don't blame any of top5. blame hbo and tough luck. hbo wanted to make some fights bigger (gonzalez - inoue and gonzalez - estrada2) but it backfired.
inoue injured his hand vs. narvaez and had to take a year off. meanwhile wbo final eliminator ended in a draw (warlito - carmona). wbo slapped inoue with 2 mandatories back to back. really bad luck. then inoue injured his hand vs. carmona too. while he sorted out his mandatories the others were fighting each other for more money and all 4 lost. then inoue outgrew the division.
gonzalez could have fought inoue when he moved up from flyweight instead of cuadras. blame that on hbo alone. but cuadras fight was pretty good too. wbc pressed chocolatito to fight a rematch with cuadras (they would postpone a mandatory defense) or and overdue mandatory rungvisai. if gonzalez decided to fight inoue in 2017, it wouldn't be a unification = less money for him. that is not a duck at all. then roman lost against mandatory, then a voluntary rematch, then rungvisai fought a mandatory (estrada) and then inoue was gone.

if somebody is dumb enough to mention inoue skipping flyweight to duck everybody remember that naoya was a non entity for them before he defeated narvaez. he did the right thing. he set the stage but a lot of bad luck ensued.

please don't blame these fighters. they were all great. the only duck one of them made at the time was estrada refusing to fight ioka. ioka was his mandatory AND they were #1 and #2 at flyweight. a new lineal champion would be crowned. that was a great fight on the table. but estrada was not prepared (he had an injury earlier) and fought a tune up against a nobody and then permanently moved up to chase money fights (not a bad thing per se).

[Elheath]

I mean, they all managed to fight each other. Inoue is the one who managed not to fight a single one of them.

The proof is in the resumes at the end of the day.

And their resumes show that they all decided to dance who they thought was easier to defeat than Inoue.

Hey, let me ask you a question...Beltles Boxer A was offered a title bout from champion Boxer B. He rejected it and chose to fight another champion Boxer C for his belt instead. Boxer A won the belt from Boxer C and became the champion. Champion Boxer B was at the match and immediately offered a unification match. Champion boxer A rejected the offer for unification from Champion boxer B, and instead decided to fight beltless Boxer D who had lost to boxer C two years ago, whom boxer A just defeated to get the belt.

Did boxer A duck boxer B?