Comments Thread For: Hearn: I Reached Out To Ngannou's Team For Joshua Fight - I Never Heard Back

[TMLT87]

In boxing you cannot tap out, you cannot go to ground and get away from Heavy bombardment. You ether fight, or you don't fight'.

You can quite literally go to ground (or take a knee) to avoid being attacked in boxing. And the reason theres no tapping out in boxing is because there are also no legal situations where your arm or leg is about to get snapped and potentially permanently damaged, leaving you in a position where you wont be able to fight or train for ages. There are also no situations where your air supply is cut off so you're guaranteed to go unconscious within seconds anyway.

[PRINCEKOOL]

You can quite literally go to ground (or take a knee) to avoid being attacked in boxing. And the reason theres no tapping out in boxing is because there are also no legal situations where your arm or leg is about to get snapped and potentially permanently damaged, leaving you in a position where you wont be able to fight or train for ages. There are also no situations where your air supply is cut off so you're guaranteed to go unconscious within seconds anyway.

You cannot tap-out in boxing, and then just move on to your next fight 'As if you did not tap out, and want to get out of the fight'.

It is just the way it is mate.

Tapping out is a big part of Mixed Martial Arts culture 'Getting out if fights is in some ways glorified'.

Did you used to wear them Tap Out T-shirts? You are most likely wearing one of those T-Shirts right now etc.

[juggernaut666]

You cannot tap-out in boxing, and then just move on to your next fight 'As if you did not tap out, and want to get out of the fight'.

It is just the way it is mate.

Tapping out is a big part of Mixed Martial Arts culture 'Getting out if fights is in some ways glorified'.

Did you used to wear them Tap Out T-shirts? You are most likely wearing one of those T-Shirts right now etc.

That’s because you aren’t trying to break or dislocate etc joints or connective tissues etc in boxing . Tapping is a necessary for most and would be dangerous without any form of communication from a competitor.

I’ve been in submissions most deem impossible to get out ( arm break positions/try getting out of a straight arm bar from mount I bet you tap in seconds or break your arm bc you got to spin a specific way and have great arm strength to do it ) while Ive never been submitted ( and that’s going back to1993 to be exact ) in training or competition I’ve got out of holds like that and had to have at least 2 months getting my arm function back to normal I’ve also completely tore a pec muscle in a reverse arm bar from mount which is worse and continued to fend off my opponent with one arm where it was just pure grappling so it was basically pointless to continue at that point which required 6 months of slow rehab bc I didn’t tap like an idiot. .


The point is it would be idiotic not to tap in MMA it has nothing to do with glorifying anything , in boxing you can see if someone quits , in MMA your not really giving a choice if your getting choked or having a limp hyper extended or an ankle lock ready to break or dislocate those little bones and rip those ligaments.


I don’t know why you guys insist comparing these sports ? If front head lock chokes were allowed in boxing in a clinch you don’t think you’d be seeing mostly tap outs ? Of course you would then what would happen?

They’d move on to their next fight that’s what would happen like MMA guys do .lol

[TMLT87]

You cannot tap-out in boxing, and then just move on to your next fight 'As if you did not tap out, and want to get out of the fight'.

It is just the way it is mate.

Tapping out is a big part of Mixed Martial Arts culture 'Getting out if fights is in some ways glorified'.

Did you used to wear them Tap Out T-shirts? You are most likely wearing one of those T-Shirts right now etc.

Not to be a **** about this mate but you're seriously misunderstanding MMA on a technical level if you think tapping out is some philosophical choice or something. The reason it exists is because submissions exist. Once those submissions are locked in (and obviously the fighters themselves know when they're ****ed and cant escape anymore) we are talking seconds before something snaps and your arm or leg turns into a noodle, those are injuries that can end your career or put you on the shelf for a long time. Or in the case of a choke, if its properly locked in you are going to sleep in seconds if you dont tap. These scenarios dont exist in boxing.

I mean, to illustrate the point, tapping to strikes is looked down upon in MMA, because its not considered the same as being caught in a submission. And to illustrate the point further still - would you agree James Toney was an extremely tough and fearless guy in boxing? and yet he tapped in that MMA fight, because he was caught in a choke and knew it was all over. Obviously being basically unable to move then having your air cut off completely and blacking out instills fear and a sense of helplesness in someone on a primal level way beyond what getting punched does.

As for the Tap Out shirts....it was a clothing brand, not a glorification of tapping out lol.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Not to be a **** about this mate but you're seriously misunderstanding MMA on a technical level if you think tapping out is some philosophical choice or something. The reason it exists is because submissions exist. Once those submissions are locked in (and obviously the fighters themselves know when they're ****ed and cant escape anymore) we are talking seconds before something snaps and your arm or leg turns into a noodle, those are injuries that can end your career or put you on the shelf for a long time. Or in the case of a choke, if its properly locked in you are going to sleep in seconds if you dont tap. These scenarios dont exist in boxing.

I mean, to illustrate the point, tapping to strikes is looked down upon in MMA, because its not considered the same as being caught in a submission. And to illustrate the point further still - would you agree James Toney was an extremely tough and fearless guy in boxing? and yet he tapped in that MMA fight, because he was caught in a choke and knew it was all over. Obviously being basically unable to move then having your air cut off completely and blacking out instills fear and a sense of helplesness in someone on a primal level way beyond what getting punched does.

As for the Tap Out shirts....it was a clothing brand, not a glorification of tapping out lol.

Getting out of fights is a more learned and accepted process in mixed martial arts, nobody can deny this fact 'It is just they way it is'.

Tap-Out T-Shirts were apart of this mass conditioning, the glorification of getting out of fights 'Goodness me, hopefully you did no wear one of those T-shirts'.

Likewise the acceptance of getting out of fights is not cultured in boxing, it is not accepted. There is almost a zero tolerance policy 'It is not overlooked, and passed over when a fighter shows any signs of wanting to get out of fight'.

Note: If Nagnnou has encountered all of those situations in mixed martial arts, then why is he not just taking up all of those mega fight opportunities? Ngannou is not taking them up, because the jeopardy in boxing if people are very honest with themselves is much higher 'There is no tapping out in boxing, whatever which way you try to dance around this fact. That is the reality of the game'.

Boxers are held to higher standard of conduct than mixed martial arts fighters 'In regards to not getting out of fights' etc.

[TMLT87]

Getting out of fights is a more learned and accepted process in mixed martial arts, nobody can deny this fact 'It is just they way it is'.

Tap-Out T-Shirts were apart of this mass conditioning, the glorification of getting out of fights 'Goodness me, hopefully you did no wear one of those T-shirts'.

Likewise the acceptance of getting out of fights is not cultured in boxing, it is not accepted. There is almost a zero tolerance policy 'It is not overlooked, and passed over when a fighter shows any signs of wanting to get out of fight'.

Note: If Nagnnou has encountered all of those situations in mixed martial arts, then why is he not just taking up all of those mega fight opportunities? Ngannou is not taking them up, because the jeopardy in boxing if people are very honest with themselves is much higher 'There is no tapping out in boxing, whatever which way you try to dance around this fact. That is the reality of the game'.

Boxers are held to higher standard of conduct then mixed martial arts fighters 'When they actually fight' etc.

In what context would someone need to tap out in boxing? do you see people in MMA tapping out while standing and getting punched?

[Smash]

quitting on your stool is a tap out, staying down from a body shot (cryin) can be a tap out

[Smash]

towel coming in could be a tap out

[MulaKO]

Correct me if I’m mistaken but wasn’t Slow Eddie totally shooting down the crossover fight ?
Slow Eddie adding hypocrite to his arsenal
Smfh

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Certain hardcore Fury fans in the aftermath of the Ngannou vs Fury fight, claimed that Ngannou would beat most of the other top Heavyweights 'The weeks have gone by, and that talk has now piped down'.

Since that fight we have witnessed pretty much, the entire Heavyweight division step forward and pursue a fight with Ngannou 'Many top fighters have let it be known, they were all interested in fighting Ngannou'.

Joshua, Wilder, Zhang. Even semi-retired fighters such as Chisora, and domestic level UK fighters.

It is clear that Ngannou, understands the potential brutality of the Heavyweight Division 'And he does not want to fight any of those other top Heavyweights, even though they are great opportunities'.

For the hardcore Fury fans that are claiming, that Fury is going to rematch Ngannou 'I would not be so sure about that. I personally don't think Fury likes rematches, against fighters who have pushed him or are a genuine threat to him'.

Fury in some ways as 'The Riddler' was like a great stage performer 'Performing grandiose tricks'. But the key for Fury was to show the trick, then move on real quick 'I honestly believe this was why he was reluctant to make the rematch with Deontay Wilder straight away, Wilder had to move mountains in order for those rematches to happen'.

Note: I don't quite understand why people are talking as if the Ngannou vs Fury rematch is in the works 'Fury has to fight Usyk potentially twice'.

No disrespect to Ngannou, but people need to just call this how they see it 'Ngannou does not want to play around in the Heavyweight Division'. Contrary to all the stereotypes people have of mixed martial arts fighters, I have said this before, and I am going to say it again? In boxing you cannot tap out, you cannot go to ground and get away from Heavy bombardment. You ether fight, or you don't fight'.

Ngannou got to experience that against, a fighter in Fury who is not a monster puncher 'And for all of his great skills, Fury does not have a destructive offense'.

Ngannou is the most wanted Heavyweight fighter in the game, people need not to kid themselves 'I don't think the other top Heavyweights in boxing are afraid of him' I know Fury's hardcore fans are going to try and run that narrative, but that is not the situation here.

Ngannou is in a predicament, he ether fighters another top level fighter in his next fight 'Or drops down a few levels, and which will then create the risk of under performing and like always in boxing? The Lemmings will suddenly start to switch up real quick on Ngannou'.

I personally do not think Ngannou should be sitting around, waiting on Tyson Fury 'No Heavyweight in the Division should be doing that'.

Ngannou performed very well vs Fury, he has reserved masses of credit and I think he should capitalize upon that 'But I agree the match making in the boxing, the jeopardy I think is more serve that is why? Ngannou has not made any moves since fighting Fury' etc.

Good points. But why are you using the ' ' marks? Are you quoting yourself?