Why would ARUM turn away PACQUIAO's (and his) biggest payday?

[The Underboss]

Because Arum knows Pac has no chance against Mayweather.

[Jamel H]

Because Arum knows Pac has no chance against Mayweather.

Exactly... Arum isnt a ****** business man

[The Underboss]

and not only that, Floyd would demand the bigger purse, which Pac will do the same, so the negotiations/fight won't happen.

[tesla_power]

Thanks for responding like an educated man.

What you may not be considering is an easy-to-make Mosley fight for mayweather.

By contrast, i don't see a fight that Pac can engage in which would have the commercial viability of May-Moz. Do you?

So, if Arum's leverage is Floyd's personal finances - and it may very well be - then he should also consider that FMJ has proven that he can make lemonade out of a lemon opponent.

Again, thank you for a reasonable perspective.

Pbf-Mosley... Well, pbf stated he is not ready to face Mosley yet. In his interviews, there was not really an indication that he is willing to face Mosley (especially after call out after the jmm fight ). I do not know what pbf's reasons were for not accepting the callout but IMO , he should have at least confirmed that he would meet Mosley in the future. I'm withholding judgment for this.

There are 2 sides to the coin. Mosley is after both pac/pbf ... even saying he would go as low as 140 to meet pac. The mosley offer is there for both for the taking not just pbf. And a pac/mosley is also very commercially viable. Other than that, pac can still go with a 3rd Jmm fight although it is not that good financially. But as a boxing fan, this would be great.

[freedom213]

Pull,

You are on a sales team. Say a car dealership. You are selling ten cars a month, and the other guys are selling five cars a month. The General manager says that he is splitting the commissions evenly, and everybody gets an equal cut.

Does that sit well with you?

C'mon, Pull. At a certain point, you have to set aside your hate and look at things objectively.

...and don't trash my thread.

Pull needs to go back to the ***** Avatar days when he was a moderate poster.

Mr Haymon you know Arum is trying to get Floyd good and pissed and posturing for the Alpha dog on top position. It is a great move and makes me think Bob would be a good Poker player. Im sure some of it is old fashioned honestly also thought as Arum is a fan and a promoter. I truly think a small part of Arum wants Floyd to step up and take the tough challenges cause thats what boxing is all about. But a bigger part of him hopes that Floyd will wait for the winner of Pac vs Cotto (and I think he will). When that time comes Bob will be positioned to get the most out of Floyd. I like you analogies though very good.

[Jamel H]

If you read the news lately Pac is taking hard shots from just his sparring partners... That says enough Arum isnt dumb he sees everything

[Al Haymon]

If you read the news lately Pac is taking hard shots from just his sparring partners... That says enough Arum isnt dumb he sees everything

Yeah, but we heard rumours that the inexperienced JWW Lamont Peterson was lighting Floyd up in sparring.

I take sparring myths and rumours with a ton of salt.

[jrosales13]

I have a question and it might be crazy talk. But, IF Pac beats Cotto and lets say Floyd fights Mosley and Beats Mosley. Wouldn't that make Pac-Floyd EVEN bigger of what it is now?

[Kalion]

Your arguments are built on the recent success of PBF-JMM ppv. Prior to that fight. I would guess 50/50. Because of 1M ppv, Pbf is now is a position of strength. But not until the PAC-COTTO revenues are released, could we really gauge who is more deserving of the bigger slice.

Now, why would Arum turn away from pac's biggest payday?
It is the same reason that pbf is hardlining a 60-40 stance basically turning away his potentially biggest payday outside de la hoya. Leverage, ego... all under the banner of boxing politics.

If you ask my opinion who needs money the most, I'd say pbf and this is probably gonna be used by team pac in the negotiations. Pbf's money troubles are well documented while pac is living it up it the PI simply because of the lesser cost of living there. You can say that pbf could have already paid his dues after the jmm fight but it could happen again. Pac's money is already well invested here from groceries, real estate, gasoline station, even an economic work zone. Pbf, by virtue of his being the bigger spender, needs it more.

Comparing PBF vs JMM to Cotto vs PAC really wouldnt make sense in terms of who should get a ****** cut between PAC vs PBF.

Lets say PAC=A JMM=B PBF=C Cotto=d.

A+D has no realtion to B+C

A+B and C+B do have a realtion, they both have B as a variable.

And if A+B < C+B Then you can prove C>A

You can substitute JMM with hatton and DLH, all three common opponents and C>A would still be true.

Now you seem like a smart guy, dnt tell me it dosent matter if PBF outsold PAC by nearly a million buys between their three common opponents. Yes what you did in your last ppv matter to a certain extent, but unless PAC vs Cotto does significantly better than JMM then it really dosent and negotiations should lean toward PBF.

[tesla_power]

Comparing PBF vs JMM to Cotto vs PAC really wouldnt make sense in terms of who should get a ****** cut between PAC vs PBF.

Lets say PAC=A JMM=B PBF=C Cotto=d.

A+D has no realtion to B+C

A+B and C+B do have a realtion, they both have B as a variable.

And if A+B < C+B Then you can prove C>A

You can substitute JMM with hatton and DLH, all three common opponents and C>A would still be true.

Now you seem like a smart guy, dnt tell me it dosent matter if PBF outsold PAC by nearly a million buys between their three common opponents. Yes what you did in your last ppv matter to a certain extent, but unless PAC vs Cotto does significantly better than JMM then it really dosent and negotiations should lean toward PBF.

I get your point. But you should see mangler's analogy for a better view. hehehe.

But in response,basically I agree. IMO, Pac-cotto should be +500K more than pbf-jmm in order to affect the negotiations. But negotiations are not limited to numbers. Like I said on some previous posts, the data(ppv) numbers is heterogeneous. Meaning... there is really no way we can tell who of the paying public is giving out their money to. So, a lot depends on a good negotiator to get the bigger slice by arguing who was the bigger draw.

Since you like math,
Say pbf's part in the pbf-dlh is 10% of the total ppv(2.4M), this would translate to 240,000 buys.
Say pac's part in the pac-dlh is 50% of the total(1.2M), this means 600,000 buys.

I'm not saying you are wrong but this is just a different view. I could care less of what will be the split. Its huge money for both camps. I just want to see the fight.