Why would ARUM turn away PACQUIAO's (and his) biggest payday?

[Al Haymon]

50/50 or floyd has to fight mosley.

Pull,

You are on a sales team. Say a car dealership. You are selling ten cars a month, and the other guys are selling five cars a month. The General manager says that he is splitting the commissions evenly, and everybody gets an equal cut.

Does that sit well with you?

C'mon, Pull. At a certain point, you have to set aside your hate and look at things objectively.

...and don't trash my thread.

[Libido Sanchez]

If I'm not mistaken, Arum said in the article that Mosley has the best chance to beat Mayweather (he said Pac and Cotto "probably" beat him). A FMJ loss would help Arum in the negotiations. Or maybe he hopes Shane can soften up Floyd a bit. Or maybe he's talking like a boxing fan and wants to see Floyd up his competition and not sit around until next March. Who knows?

The more I think about it, the more it seems like Floyd will fight Pac no matter what because of the money. Even if Pac loses, it's been long documented that Pac isn't fighting much longer. One way to market a Pac-PBF showdown even if Pac loses could be from a final fight angle. They could say that the public wants Pac's last fight to be against FMJ.

[Al Haymon]

If I'm not mistaken, Arum said in the article that Mosley has the best chance to beat Mayweather (he said Pac and Cotto "probably" beat him). A FMJ loss would help Arum in the negotiations. Or maybe he hopes Shane can soften up Floyd a bit. Or maybe he's talking like a boxing fan and wants to see Floyd up his competition and not sit around until next March. Who knows?

The more I think about it, the more it seems like Floyd will fight Pac no matter what because of the money. Even if Pac loses, it's been long documented that Pac isn't fighting much longer. One way to market a Pac-PBF showdown even if Pac loses could be from a final fight angle. They could say that the public wants Pac's last fight to be against FMJ.

1) Promoters don't think like fans. maybe they do on fight night... but they have vested interests in a long-term investment

2) After Floyd beat marquez so easily, many people said "damn, pac is probably too small for Floyd". If Cotto beats pac, it will be because Migs was able to impose his size on manny. So, i do not believe that the public appetitie for floyd-manny would still be there after manny loses.

[tesla_power]

Your arguments are built on the recent success of PBF-JMM ppv. Prior to that fight. I would guess 50/50. Because of 1M ppv, Pbf is now is a position of strength. But not until the PAC-COTTO revenues are released, could we really gauge who is more deserving of the bigger slice.

Now, why would Arum turn away from pac's biggest payday?
It is the same reason that pbf is hardlining a 60-40 stance basically turning away his potentially biggest payday outside de la hoya. Leverage, ego... all under the banner of boxing politics.

If you ask my opinion who needs money the most, I'd say pbf and this is probably gonna be used by team pac in the negotiations. Pbf's money troubles are well documented while pac is living it up it the PI simply because of the lesser cost of living there. You can say that pbf could have already paid his dues after the jmm fight but it could happen again. Pac's money is already well invested here from groceries, real estate, gasoline station, even an economic work zone. Pbf, by virtue of his being the bigger spender, needs it more.

[Pullcounter]

Pull,

You are on a sales team. Say a car dealership. You are selling ten cars a month, and the other guys are selling five cars a month. The General manager says that he is splitting the commissions evenly, and everybody gets an equal cut.

Does that sit well with you?

C'mon, Pull. At a certain point, you have to set aside your hate and look at things objectively.

...and don't trash my thread.

that's a poor analogy... here's a better more accurate one:

you are a car sales man who sells 10 cars a month but you live beyond your means and owe the IRS, you owe the bank for a car loan, you just got robbed and they stole all your ice, you haven't paid the garbage man for several months now, and you go to clubs with duffel bags of money and toss it to the people there...

the other guy only sells 5 cars a month, but he saves his money and plans to return to his native 3rd world country and live like a king for the rest of his life.

manager gives you and the other guy a huge commission.

you beg the other guy to split a commission with you 60/40 and he laughs in your face. you take 50/50 because even tho you are the better salesman, you need the money and the 50/50 split is still better than 60/40 of any other commission the manager can give you.

THAT'S A BETTER ANALOGY!!!!

[Al Haymon]

that's a poor analogy... here's a better more accurate one:

you are a car sales man who sells 10 cars a month but you live beyond your means and owe the IRS, you owe the bank for a car loan, you just got robbed and they stole all your ice, you haven't paid the garbage man for several months now, and you go to clubs with duffel bags of money and toss it to the people there...

the other guy only sells 5 cars a month, but he saves his money and plans to return to his native 3rd world country and live like a king for the rest of his life.

manager gives you and the other guy a huge commission.

you beg the other guy to split a commission with you 60/40 and he laughs in your face. you take 50/50 because even tho you are the better salesman, you need the money and the 50/50 split is still better than 60/40 of any other commission the manager can give you.

THAT'S A BETTER ANALOGY!!!!

My bad for expecting you to be reasonable. Lesson learned.

[tesla_power]

that's a poor analogy... here's a better more accurate one:

you are a car sales man who sells 10 cars a month but you live beyond your means and owe the IRS, you owe the bank for a car loan, you just got robbed and they stole all your ice, you haven't paid the garbage man for several months now, and you go to clubs with duffel bags of money and toss it to the people there...

the other guy only sells 5 cars a month, but he saves his money and plans to return to his native 3rd world country and live like a king for the rest of his life.

manager gives you and the other guy a huge commission.

you beg the other guy to split a commission with you 60/40 and he laughs in your face. you take 50/50 because even tho you are the better salesman, you need the money and the 50/50 split is still better than 60/40 of any other commission the manager can give you.

THAT'S A BETTER ANALOGY!!!!

Agreed. Roughly the same points I put up in the post prior to this one.

[Al Haymon]

Your arguments are built on the recent success of PBF-JMM ppv. Prior to that fight. I would guess 50/50. Because of 1M ppv, Pbf is now is a position of strength. But not until the PAC-COTTO revenues are released, could we really gauge who is more deserving of the bigger slice.

Now, why would Arum turn away from pac's biggest payday?
It is the same reason that pbf is hardlining a 60-40 stance basically turning away his potentially biggest payday outside de la hoya. Leverage, ego... all under the banner of boxing politics.

If you ask my opinion who needs money the most, I'd say pbf and this is probably gonna be used by team pac in the negotiations. Pbf's money troubles are well documented while pac is living it up it the PI simply because of the lesser cost of living there. You can say that pbf could have already paid his dues after the jmm fight but it could happen again. Pac's money is already well invested here from groceries, real estate, gasoline station, even an economic work zone. Pbf, by virtue of his being the bigger spender, needs it more.

Thanks for responding like an educated man.

What you may not be considering is an easy-to-make Mosley fight for mayweather.

By contrast, i don't see a fight that Pac can engage in which would have the commercial viability of May-Moz. Do you?

So, if Arum's leverage is Floyd's personal finances - and it may very well be - then he should also consider that FMJ has proven that he can make lemonade out of a lemon opponent.

Again, thank you for a reasonable perspective.

[johncods]

Arum alreay agreed to 50/50. if floyd dont want that then go fight a WW and make less.. If pac beats cotto pac can retire and his legacy is cemented, he dont need floyd if he beats cotto..

[Jamel H]

Arum alreay agreed to 50/50. if floyd dont want that then go fight a WW and make less.. If pac beats cotto pac can retire and his legacy is cemented, he dont need floyd if he beats cotto..

Yea if he beats Cotto (which wont be easy AT ALL) he can avoid taking embarrassment from Floyd and Arum is a smart man he isnt a fool, he'd rather see Cotto fight Mayweather then Pacman who IS a great fighter but hes also small as Marquez and isnt a natural Welter Weight plus we all know Floyd isnt going to sign for a CATCH weight and risk taking less money...