Comments Thread For: Devin Haney: I Should Be Fighter Of The Year; My Dad Deserves Trainer Of The Year

[champion4ever]

I am genuinely curious so disregarding every other candidate for now for argument sake, do you see it possible to argue that Haney will likely have a better year than Inoue, and if so how? I can understand if the argument is that he is better right now until Inoue fights his second match simply due to having fought twice to once, but in a few weeks it is very likely Inoue would've brutally destroyed Tapales, which in that case...

Both fought and won twice, but Inoue wins by two dominant KO where Haney had two decision wins of which one was dominant UD but other was rather controversial.
Both moved up a division and fought a belt holder for the first fight, but Inoue fought the universally top rated guy of the new division where Haney fought a guy that was considered the easier half of the champs.
Inoue also won 4 new belts compared to Haney's 1 new belt.
The only advantage Haney may claim is that the overall quality of Loma and Prograis is better than Fulton and Tapales but that is more due to Loma being high, which is the one he wasn't really good against but luckily came out at top.

If by an extremely unlikely chance Inoue loses or even has a controversial win there may be a chance to argue, but if Inoue knocks out Tapales convincingly which is a very high chance, I don't see how Haney is above Inoue for FotY.

I tend to agree with many your points. I’ve never said that Haney should be the 2023 fighter of the year. All I am saying is that at the very least; His name should be in the conversation as an honorable mention.

[Lomadeaux]

This society is getting so weak. It's almost un-savable. A trainer of the year has multiple successful fighters. It's embarrassing what is happening to the minds of these athletes.

[Combat Talk Radio]

its nice that you cram 2 years work into one but we are talking about 2023 and not 2022+2023

Him vacating 135 undisputed (which is what makes it to where it can never be taken from him) was 2023.

Him defending against mandatory Loma instead of getting stripped like Crawford, before vacating was 2023.

Him pitching a shutout against 140 WBC champion Prograis was in 2023.


So..."At The End Of The Day", can't argue what he's done in 2023 compared to any of his boxer peers. And no, I don't give credit for one great fight as surpassing those achievements which is what everyone else is doing.

Everyone claiming that Inoue (who I have P4P by the way) surpassing it by beating Tapoles? F'n Tapoles who's been STOPPED twice? Seriously?

Claiming Crawford surpassing it by beating Spence - when that's his ONLY big win at 147 and he ducked his mandatory, resulting in him getting stripped?

Claiming Benavidez surpassed it by beating two guys - both of which NSB repeatedly called "overhyped bums"?


It's like...come on people.

[messi807]

Tapales had a great win/performance over a highly touted, highly skilled, dangerous dude in MJ.

Prograis looked washed his last time out.

That’s actually the only Tapales fight I watched & majority of posters thought it was a gift. And then his fight before that was against a guy 23-18…that pretty much sum’s it up.

[Elheath]

Him vacating 135 undisputed (which is what makes it to where it can never be taken from him) was 2023.

Him defending against mandatory Loma instead of getting stripped like Crawford, before vacating was 2023.

Him pitching a shutout against 140 WBC champion Prograis was in 2023.


So..."At The End Of The Day", can't argue what he's done in 2023 compared to any of his boxer peers. And no, I don't give credit for one great fight as surpassing those achievements which is what everyone else is doing.

Everyone claiming that Inoue (who I have P4P by the way) surpassing it by beating Tapoles? F'n Tapoles who's been STOPPED twice? Seriously?

Claiming Crawford surpassing it by beating Spence - when that's his ONLY big win at 147 and he ducked his mandatory, resulting in him getting stripped?

Claiming Benavidez surpassed it by beating two guys - both of which NSB repeatedly called "overhyped bums"?


It's like...come on people.

I wrote earlier in the thread as well, but forgetting the other names for now it really comes down to the question of is it possible to argue that his work was definitely better than what Inoue would do this year, assuming he KOs Tapales with ease.

I personally don't see any value in it, but if you crediting Haney for finally deciding to officially vacate his belts, technically he did that after he was already stripped of the WBC which Shakur picked up so he wasn't undisputed when he vacated this year. By the way Inoue also vacated all of his belts this year in January while still holding all four.

Sure Loma is the best boxer out of the defeated opponents and good for Haney to not dodge him, but it was also the least impressive win out of the group compared to two dominant KOs or a shutout

Claiming Tapales is a weak champion (which that itself I don't deny by the way) can be argued the same against Haney as well, that Prograis was one of the weakest champion in 140. He was also coming off an extremely crummy match where Prograis was lucky to barely get by without losing his belt to a relatively unimpressive opponent, where Tapales was coming off an upset win against a then undefeated unified champion in MJ. Is a shutout UD vs a weak champion really that much more impressive than a dominant KO vs a weak champion? By the way Prograis is 3 years older than Tapales so it can be argued that Prograis at 34 is more washed up than Tapales at 31.

[j0zef]

Really hard to be fighter of the year when your biggest victory is widely recognized as a robbery.

[JOITATS]

To most everyone in the world, Haney lost to Lomachenko.
He also just beat Prograis, the #3 or #4 guy in his division.


Inoue dominated the #1 guy up a weight class. And is about to unify all belts vs the #2 guy.
& Crawford dominated the #2 guy.

Haney lol.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I wrote earlier in the thread as well, but forgetting the other names for now it really comes down to the question of is it possible to argue that his work was definitely better than what Inoue would do this year, assuming he KOs Tapales with ease.

I personally don't see any value in it, but if you crediting Haney for finally deciding to officially vacate his belts, technically he did that after he was already stripped of the WBC which Shakur picked up so he wasn't undisputed when he vacated this year. By the way Inoue also vacated all of his belts this year in January while still holding all four.

Sure Loma is the best boxer out of the defeated opponents and good for Haney to not dodge him, but it was also the least impressive win out of the group compared to two dominant KOs or a shutout

Claiming Tapales is a weak champion (which that itself I don't deny by the way) can be argued the same against Haney as well, that Prograis was one of the weakest champion in 140. He was also coming off an extremely crummy match where Prograis was lucky to barely get by without losing his belt to a relatively unimpressive opponent, where Tapales was coming off an upset win against a then undefeated unified champion in MJ. Is a shutout UD vs a weak champion really that much more impressive than a dominant KO vs a weak champion? By the way Prograis is 3 years older than Tapales so it can be argued that Prograis at 34 is more washed up than Tapales at 31.

First of all, Haney had SIGNED to fight Prograis before the WBC ruled AND he was still “Champion in Recess”, meaning he could change his mind and get the belt back, plus was still regarded as undisputed by the WBC. That’s what happened with Pacquiao when he got stripped for chasing Cryan. Shakur wasn’t interim or “Gold” or whatever, he had to fight for vacant, just like Ugas did.

Crawford has not committed to fighting anyone. He just talks about fighting lightweights and super middleweights while refusing to fight welterweights. It’s completely different. IBF’s stripping renders Crawford no longer undisputed, because Boots was interim. Boots already earned the title AND defended it by that point.

As far as Tapales it’s not even about being a weak champion. Prograis was never stopped and before Haney, never lost via shutout. Tapales has been STOPPED TWICE, that’s the point. If Inoue stops him, it’d be “well yeah, he’s been stopped twice before”.

[uppercut510]

without reading the comments im sure you all are hating and complaining about the loma fight lol, he has a point but it may go to benavidez but he has the right to feel this way, i love the relationship between him and his father. Id be proud to see my son go this far.

[Smash]

they should have given that fight to loma, might have taken the wind out of this guys sails, just goes to show the power of that W, u lose those close fights and its a big setback actually, the winner just sails on