Comments Thread For: Rafael Espinoza Trades Knockdowns With Robeisy Ramirez, Takes Majority Decision To Win WBO Title

[CubanGuyNYC]

I don't think he needs a ko, a couple of knockdown would work too, 30 seconds in that 5th rounds and it could have been over

That level of volume punching can’t be tolerated. Ramirez was never hurt. Even when he went down in the final round, it was more because he was on “E” than anything else. Robeisy threw no combinations in that fight. It was a head-scratching. What did they work on in camp? What was Salas telling him between rounds? “Go out there and knock Espinoza out with one punch”? I had the Mexican up 4-0 at the start. I was asking myself, What is Robeisy waiting for? Reminds me a little of Lopez-Lomachenko. It becomes too much ground to make up.

[..David..]

So other than rematch how do you see Espinoza doin with the other top guys in the division, Figueroa, Vargas, Lara, venado, ball even maybe even Warrington

also with that heigh he can pretty much go to whatever weightclass he wants the crazy thing is he doesnt really struggles with the weighr… at all, he started his career as a bantamweight

[garfios]

Again though that KD must be put into perspective. Espinoza was boxing Ramirez ears off for 4 and a half rds got over confident started switching stance got caught mid switch and payed for it. I doubt Ramirez would get another chance like that as long as Espinoza stays disciplined.

He hurt him in the 7th or 8th round again. The bottom line is that if they fight again he can't look for one punch. That's my point.

[Regge]

So other than rematch how do you see Espinoza doin with the other top guys in the division, Figueroa, Vargas, Lara, venado, ball even maybe even Warrington

also with that heigh he can pretty much go to whatever weightclass he wants the crazy thing is he doesnt really struggles with the weighr… at all, he started his career as a bantamweight

I think Espinoza might prove to be the best because really thinking about it had he not gotten caught playing with his stance in the 5th who knows if that punch would have ever came for Ramirez. Espinoza wasn't just beating up Ramirez he was outclassing him which is surprising given Robeisys Olympic pedigree. It could have been a complete dominant performance. I think Lopez is hid toughest test but he beats the rest imo.

[garfios]

True, I don’t think we see a rematch right away, and if they do run it back I think Espinoza wins more comfortably. I could be wrong. Would be a great rematch, even better then the first

I don't think is going to be comfortable for anyone, espinoza found his 2nd wind, Robeisy didn't and that was the difference, after the knockdown espinoza was not the same fighter, he was getting hit hard, he turned the corner at the end of the 9th. And that gave him the fight. Believe none of those two fighters are going to be easy prey for anyone.

[Robi13]

I don't think is going to be comfortable for anyone, espinoza found his 2nd wind, Robeisy didn't and that was the difference, after the knockdown espinoza was not the same fighter, he was getting hit hard, he turned the corner at the end of the 9th. And that gave him the fight. Believe none of those two fighters are going to be easy prey for anyone.

Very true, what I did take from that and you may be saying the same thing. However I see it more as a choice rather than something you look for but can’t find. Basically, when they reached those deep waters only one fighter swam and one drowned and the one that swam won the fight. I don’t know if Robeisy is going to try and conserve more energy if they fight again to avoid the same situation but, tough to do having the physical disadvantages and combining that with a relentless approach from his opp. It’s tough, very tough to see Robeisy winning any other way than KO or TKO or stoppage of some sort. Again, I can be wrong but that’s just the way I see it

[CubanGuyNYC]

Very true, what I did take from that and you may be saying the same thing. However I see it more as a choice rather than something you look for but can’t find. Basically, when they reached those deep waters only one fighter swam and one drowned and the one that swam won the fight. I don’t know if Robeisy is going to try and conserve more energy if they fight again to avoid the same situation but, tough to do having the physical disadvantages and combining that with a relentless approach from his opp. It’s tough, very tough to see Robeisy winning any other way than KO or TKO or stoppage of some sort. Again, I can be wrong but that’s just the way I see it

I have to believe Ramirez was conditioned for a twelve round fight. I therefore have to ask myself why he gassed in the final frame. Robeisy didn’t throw volume; he threw with bad intentions. He also absorbed a lot of volume. It didn’t help that Espinoza found a second wind late. If I was forming a strategy for a rematch, conditioning would obviously be at the forefront. As for the fight itself: more activity and combination punching. And lose that godawful high guard! I hate that BS!

[b Murphington]

I have to believe Ramirez was conditioned for a twelve round fight. I therefore have to ask myself why he gassed in the final frame. Robeisy didn’t throw volume; he threw with bad intentions. He also absorbed a lot of volume. It didn’t help that Espinoza found a second wind late. If I was forming a strategy for a rematch, conditioning would obviously be at the forefront. As for the fight itself: more activity and combination punching. And lose that godawful high guard! I hate that BS!

You’re right on the money with your assessment.

I’ll add to it. Absorbing shots takes energy. So the high volume from Espinoza definitely plays a big role in zapping Ramirez’s strength down the stretch.

It takes a lot to overcome a boxer who’s a full head taller than you.

If you got a halfway decent boxer who’s got a significant height and reach advantage, you’re in for a long night. You need to be in tip top condition and you need HIGH VOLUME to overcome the physical disadvantages. And you gotta **** the body!

Ramirez failed in all of those departments.

All that said, it was a hell of a fight and I’d be down for a rematch.

[Robi13]

You’re right on the money with your assessment.

I’ll add to it. Absorbing shots takes energy. So the high volume from Espinoza definitely plays a big role in zapping Ramirez’s strength down the stretch.

It takes a lot to overcome a boxer who’s a full head taller than you.

If you got a halfway decent boxer who’s got a significant height and reach advantage, you’re in for a long night. You need to be in tip top condition and you need HIGH VOLUME to overcome the physical disadvantages. And you gotta **** the body!

Ramirez failed in all of those departments.

All that said, it was a hell of a fight and I’d be down for a rematch.

That’s the key, the body. Easier said than done, but not imposible. That weight class got a whole lot more interesting now specially if monster inoue comes up soon.

[CubanGuyNYC]

You’re right on the money with your assessment.

I’ll add to it. Absorbing shots takes energy. So the high volume from Espinoza definitely plays a big role in zapping Ramirez’s strength down the stretch.

It takes a lot to overcome a boxer who’s a full head taller than you.

If you got a halfway decent boxer who’s got a significant height and reach advantage, you’re in for a long night. You need to be in tip top condition and you need HIGH VOLUME to overcome the physical disadvantages. And you gotta **** the body!

Ramirez failed in all of those departments.

All that said, it was a hell of a fight and I’d be down for a rematch.

Going into the fight I wondered how much Espinoza’s considerable height advantage would mean. I knew it could pose a problem, provided he was legit. Although his record looked good on paper, we’ve seen these types whither against world class opposition. Well, we all got to see that the Mexican is indeed legit. I can’t find fault with his performance. He appears a little lightfisted, but that’s about it.

I agree wholeheartedly that Ramirez needed to attack the body. But I wonder about his ability to do that. That high guard I keep harping about is the sign of a fighter who’s not very good at infighting. Robeisy would throw a punch or two, put his hands up, let Espinoza throw five, six, seven punches, then repeat. Hard to win fights that way, especially against a much taller and well-conditioned man.