How will Lomachenko's career will be remembered after he retires.

[crimsonfalcon07]

One of the greatest amateurs of all time. A fighter who took on big challenges in just his second pro fight, and continued stepping up to face bigger challenges. Champion in three weight classes in just his first 12 fights. Exciting and fan-friendly, incredible reflexes. I think 135 proved to be a bit too big for him. Fighters like Teo and Haney are large LWs who drained down 20+ pounds to make weight. He was robbed versus Haney. I still think he should have dropped back to 130 and pursue his undisputed titles against fighters closer to his own size.

I'm not sure I agree that 135 is too big. I think if he'd had his surgery and then fought Lopez, he'd probably be undisputed now, instead of fighting Lopez leftovers. And he'd have been the A-side as the champ against Haney and would never have lost that decision. That one decision to be arrogant and try to fight the young guy with one arm really ruined his career.

[HeadShots]

Duran > Hagler

duran has a win over leonard


who does lomachenko have a win over?

[Beercules]

Great fighter. Like another poster said I wish he turned pro earlier.

[bballchump11]

duran has a win over leonard


who does lomachenko have a win over?

That's fair.

Duran > Hagler > Lomachenko > GGG > Broner

[Atypicalbrit]

Very talented guy but pro career didn't quite reach the heights it could have.

I think a lack of names at his beat weight classes hurt him more than anything.

[HeadShots]

That's fair.

Duran > Hagler > Lomachenko > GGG > Broner

no GGG > Lomachenko


GGG never lost to a bum like Salido

GGG never lost to someone as bad as Teo either.

[mcdonalds]

what? Nicholas was the WBA champ.

Walters was the WBA champ at 126 never at 130.

For someone who posts here a lot, you do come across as a casual.

[mcdonalds]

There will definitely be differing opinions on this. But I think it's a terrible mistake to champion the business of boxing rather than the performance.

Against Salido, he clearly outlanded him. In fact, he dropped Salido from what I remember. One of the judges had him winning that fight. Someone counted all the low blows once, and it was more than 70. I thought that was an exaggeration until I saw it. That means the judges were counting those low blows as scoring punches. So you had incompetence give the fight to the wrong guy.

Against Lopez, I still didn't see Lopez win. I'm there with Andre Ward, where at best, that fight was a draw. And the only one landing effective punches was Loma.

Then you have Loma with Haney, and I'll just leave it at that. I'm not going to beat a dead horse.

The point is that they were never going to let Loma beat Lopez or Haney. And this has nothing to do with Top Rank, necessarily. It has almost everything to do with the Nevada Athletic Commission. Even though it's a state agency, it doesn't receive any funding from the state of Nevada. Its sole source of revenue is from sporting events and the taxes it imposes on those events, from gate tax to broadcasting tax. That's how that agency makes money, and the most lucrative sport for the NSAC is boxing. The NSAC is highly concerned with who wins and who doesn't win, and it's more invested in fighters that will be fighting in Nevada rather than fighters fighting in some other area. So you will see the agency actually push certain boxers to win who it views as having larger overall revenue value to the agency. It's as if a company had two products, and the new product that it just produced costs more (like the new iPhone), and the company will push that product to increase sales, to further increase revenue. Likewise, the NSAC will work to maximize its profits by working together with networks and promotional agencies to help maximize its profits. These invariably means that the younger, American fighter will be pushed as the new shiny product, and they will do what they can to prevent their new product diminishing its value and potential future revenue generation.

When you see things for what they are, you realize that it's not a sport; it's a business. It's kind of like saying the Rock is the greatest wrestler who ever lived, based on his wrestling record. The reality is that he was not the best wrestler, just one of the most marketable products of the WWE.

So when we list fighters as all time greats based on records, you actually aren't recognizing who the best fighter actually is, just the fighter that was pushed as a product. This is true also for past fighters where the mob often manipulated fights. Crowning ATG requires the ability to cut through all the bull**** and see things for what they actually are. We can't champion guys because they are a better product rather than a great fighter.

I certainly can't do that.

Mental Illness on full display. Holy Sht

[Noelanthony]

I’m looking forward to reading the Crypo- matrix post. He will have a lot to say I’m sure

[Noelanthony]

A bonafide warrior, amateur GOAT, ATG skills, ducked no one, was ducked by everyone with a name.

Got robbed against Haney, got cheated against Salido, should have never lost to Teofimo (he dominated Teo in the few rounds he decided to fight)

Loma is everything a real fighter should be

I agree but he just doesn’t like fighting the 12th rounds in close fights. I wouldn’t want any real fighter to stop fighting at the end of the 11th