Comments Thread For: Shakur Stevenson: Canelo Gonna Feel [Crawford's] Punch As Much As Bud Feels Canelo's Punch

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  • hhh1200
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    #41
    Originally posted by Apollo7

    Cotto, Trout, Lara etc also survived and had some success against Canelo. He hasn't got the fastest feet or the best stamina.
    I don't think you survive when you land 7-3-2 rounds in your favor and end up with a 117-111 Mexican card from East LA not in your favor.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Sheldon312

      And how many years ago were those bouts? That's like comparing the Floyd that fought Augustus to the Floyd who fought Judah, Oscae, Cotto, Marquez, and Manny. You mentioned Lara not mentioning he is a much better defensive fighter than Crawford. Trout was no slouch either but he lost 8-4 against Canelo. Again, Crawford has never fought someone as skilled as Canelo. Even P4P Canelo would be the best fighter Crawford ever fought
      A while ago but I see people saying they think Canelo is past his prime now after so many years as a professional. How easily does he deal with a faster, more mobile, highly skilled fighter? Crawford also seems to have freakish strength and freakish, sneaky power for his size. Bivol thinks Crawford is "amazing"

      It's true that Crawford obviously hasn't faced a challenge as difficult as Canelo would be but has Canelo ever beaten a P4P elite like Crawford?

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        #43
        Originally posted by Sheldon312

        Tszyu isn't a better boxer-puncher than Canelo. Canelois the better counter-puncher, better at cutting off the ring, better jab, and is an elite defensive fighter, he also has proven to be able to fight at all ranges. Tszyu only has the better jab and movement. Comparing Crawford to Lara is also a mistake. Crawford may be more "rugged' but Lara has the better defense and is actually more "textbook" Crawford is just more athletic. I really think people are overrating Crawford's win against Spence
        I would compare in boxing and talent Crawford more to FMW and Lara than Plant and Billy Joe Sanders. And if I was preparing AJ for Wilder, I probably pick right hand happy and even more limited than Wilder Efe Ajagba. I'd say he is the closet to Wilder. Hence, moving to 168 if I made a pit stop in 154 with Crawford style height 5'9 and based on the current pool at 154 Tim resembles Canelo the most. And he is probably the cream of the crop in the division right now. Fight him in Australia to replicate the atmosphere of a Canelo fight. They were offering over 10 million to Jermell. Who knows how much they'd put for Crawford?
        Last edited by hhh1200; 11-13-2023, 01:52 PM.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Apollo7

          A while ago but I see people saying they think Canelo is past his prime now after so many years as a professional. How easily does he deal with a faster, more mobile, highly skilled fighter? Crawford also seems to have freakish strength and freakish, sneaky power for his size. Bivol thinks Crawford is "amazing"

          It's true that Crawford obviously hasn't faced a challenge as difficult as Canelo would be but has Canelo ever beaten a P4P elite like Crawford?
          GGG. Ok, although I think he lost the first fight and drew the second fight. Has Crawford ever defeated a P4P elite like Canelo? Hell, I would go as far to say he hasn't defeated anyone as good as Thurman, Ortiz Jr, or Tszyu. All those guys are better than the version Crawford fought. Crawford is too small we're talking about a guyw ho started 135, going up to face argubally the best 168 pounder

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            #45
            i agreed... it's because TC is not a small guy.. he's just been draining himself down to fight at 147. he's a bigger guy than that.

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              #46
              Originally posted by takenotes
              There is zero chance Crawford hurts Canelo. It might be competitive for 2-3 rounds before Canelo starts to tee off on Crawford.
              smh @ tee off on crawford LOL...

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                #47
                Originally posted by wrecksracer
                I'm no Canelo fanboy, but he can take direct shots from GGG without budging. He's used to hurting much bigger men than Crawford. I would expect Bud to put up a better fight than Charlo, but he wouldn't win.
                the shot he took from GGG wasnt GGG's best shot. and that one punch that GGG landed on canelo in the 1st fight, even tho it wasnt GGG's best punch, it did make canelo take a step back to re-group... it was the punch that made canelo shake his head like it didnt have any effect but it did, it made canelo stop his attack.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by IceTrayDaGang

                  the shot he took from GGG wasnt GGG's best shot. and that one punch that GGG landed on canelo in the 1st fight, even tho it wasnt GGG's best punch, it did make canelo take a step back to re-group... it was the punch that made canelo shake his head like it didnt have any effect but it did, it made canelo stop his attack.
                  Now you're tripping. GGG's power P4P is a 9 or 10. Crawford's is a 7. Taking weight in cosideration, Canelo would just walk through his puncher and stop him. It would be a slightly more competive version of Khan vs Canelo

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Sheldon312

                    GGG. Ok, although I think he lost the first fight and drew the second fight. Has Crawford ever defeated a P4P elite like Canelo? Hell, I would go as far to say he hasn't defeated anyone as good as Thurman, Ortiz Jr, or Tszyu. All those guys are better than the version Crawford fought. Crawford is too small we're talking about a guyw ho started 135, going up to face argubally the best 168 pounder
                    I don't think GGG was ever P4P #1 and as you say, he lost anyway. I admit Crawford hasn't fought someone of Canelo's level but that just means we don't know how he would fare. It doesn't mean he can or can't win.

                    Crawford started at 135 but didn't Canelo start at like 147? There's a size difference but not a ridiculous one.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by hhh1200

                      I would compare in boxing and talent Crawford more to FMW and Lara than Plant and Billy Joe Sanders. And if I was preparing AJ for Wilder, I probably pick right hand happy and even more limited than Wilder Efe Ajagba. I'd say he is the closet to Wilder. Hence, moving to 168 if I made a pit stop in 154 with Crawford style height 5'9 and based on the current pool at 154 Tim resembles Canelo the most. And he is probably the cream of the crop in the division right now. Fight him in Australia to replicate the atmosphere of a Canelo fight. They were offering over 10 million to Jermell. Who knows how much they'd put for Crawford?
                      No. Crawford's talent is more inline with McGrit, Meldrick Taylor, Quartey, and maybe Marc Too Sharp. Floyd is literally a once in a liftime fighter, whereas there are many fighter in this era who are better or will be better than Crawford (Ennis, Shakur, Keyshawn, Andy Cruz....etc). Prime Lara is a level above Sanders and Plant. Neither of those guys would be competitive against a prime Paul Williams.

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