Tyson Fury or Wladimir Klitschko were Never Really "Lineal" Champ? Dead title?

[IronDanHamza]

Too much ambiguity for me.

Once it’s broken it’s hard to keep track of.

Fury has claim to the lineage when he beat Vlad but he then retired for 2-3 years so I can’t see how he still would at this point.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

We were a swing round away from the current lineal champion not even being a boxer. That's about as bad as it can get. Even the WBC weren't prepared to stoop that low, and that's saying something.

I agree there haven't been as many bad lineal champions as there have been bad alphabet champions. But that's really a comment on the number of alphabet champions we have, which no-one would think is a good thing.

At least Martin had to earn his chance with some kind of criteria for him getting that opportunity.

I'm sure you recall that I'm obviously no fan of Fury's behaviour. But I really think he's devalued the status of lineal champion... if he does in fact hold it.

I didn’t even watch that exhibition nonsense tbh. Regardless though, Fury still has a lot more credibility than the likes of Martin, Browne and some of these horrific ABC belt holders.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

In your view, who were the top 2 when Klitschko fought Joshua?

I still think a very borderline decision by TBRB has influenced a lot of people's thinking on that one. To my mind they were 1 and 2 before and they were 1 and 2 after. TBRB agrees... but for a few months they made Klitschko inactive. And we all know why he was inactive - it wasn't by his own doing.

Joshua and Wilder. Wlad was inactive and shot. I think he was clearly faded when Fury beat him too in hindsight.

[Toffee]

Joshua and Wilder. Wlad was inactive and shot. I think he was clearly faded when Fury beat him too in hindsight.

He was clearly faded for a good portion of the tail end of his career, but still plenty good enough to warrant a top 2 spot given the opposition was guys like Wilder and Parker without anything meaningful on their resumes.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

He was clearly faded for a good portion of the tail end of his career, but still plenty good enough to warrant a top 2 spot given the opposition was guys like Wilder and Parker without anything meaningful on their resumes.

Wilder had made 5 defences of the WBC title in between Wlad’s last win over Jennings. I don’t see how Klitschko can even be ranked in 2017 never mind be top 2. It’s like still ranking Fury in 2018 or Wilder if he doesn’t fight this year.

[Rspen46]

Yeah, the lineal champ title got a bit messy after Lennox Lewis retired. Wladimir Klitschko's claim to it is debatable since he didn't beat Lewis. It's all up for debate now.

[Marchegiano]

Yeah man but we lost that argument.

You guys can say this and that about what lineal is or is not but the only real truth to that title is lineal is what the fans of that era say it is, and Tyson won that promotional campaign.


Lineal being passed on because the top two rated guys fought won another is some made up modern **** that has **** all to do with Sullivan or his era ... they didn't have ratings back in Sulli's day. ... They didn't have the term lineal either.

So yeah, truth there, Wlad shouldn't be considered any form of successor to John because there is not unbroken man who beat the man to connect them and they didn't even do any form of symbolic representation of Sullivan era traditions. ... Ring just made up some bull**** and people went with it.

Secondly to how ****** it is to crown a lineal based on the ratings of two fighters, I would contend Wlad never actually fought the second best of his era because the second best of his era was Vitali. Wlad fights Ruslan in what 09? Big V's final exit is 2012. Wlad's career from 2012-2015 is ... well ... sad scalps. If you want to claim in 2013 Pov was the clear number 2, cool, whatever, you're an idiot, but at least you don't have Big V/Ruslan juxta against you.

So, honestly, if you want to do that 1 vs 2 ****, which is tard **** anyway, Ruslan's a dumbass's start date for Wlad being lineal. Pov or Fury beating Wlad, those are really the only times you can say Wlad actually fought a 1 vs 2 match.

BUT

None of that **** matters because Wlad got fan's approval for lineal based on beating Ruslan. Is what happened. Then Fury got fan's approval for beating Wlad.


Truth is lineal is the least prestigious and most ****ed up title you could have and always was. People talk about lineal like it's good alternative to body politics, bitches, lineal is what made boxing, industry, money, fighters, trainers, fans, everyone, think making sanctioning bodies is a good idea. If lineal wasn't a **** bag of bull****, always was, always will be, then we would not have made sanctioning bodies.

[_Rexy_]

He was clearly faded for a good portion of the tail end of his career, but still plenty good enough to warrant a top 2 spot given the opposition was guys like Wilder and Parker without anything meaningful on their resumes.

Wlad hadn't had a win in over 2 years. It doesn't matter, it wasn't him. He wasn't ranked, by anyone

TBRB had Povetkin 1, Joshua 2, Ortiz 3 and Wilder 4, Parker 5

[juggernaut666]

Lineal in modern times is used for fanboys . Yes if your still using it at least in this division your a fanboy .

The actual top guy is the most proven one against the most top guys so that’s subjective anyway . It’s all b.s .and there’s to many multiple belts to claim it as there is no undisputed champion which you need first .


It wouldn’t matter who beat who first either , Fury retired then Joshua did the same thing winning against Klitchko so if we’re using the rules then Joshua became Lineal which now Usyk holds . And that’s if you considered Klitchko the lineal champion ? So you Fury fans won’t win anyway . Lol


At the end of the day I’ll just use my own eyes and common sense and keep ignoring a lineal title bc it’s not even real , subjective and only idiots try and make sense of it . The term “lineal champion” is often used to refer to the boxer who beats an undisputed champion , no one has beat any undisputed champion in this era anyway ,whoever does that then you can claim it ,why can’t this forum understand this ?

[GhostofDempsey]

The age of four-belt champions lineal isn't as prestigious as it once was.