More Skilled Usyk VS Bivol

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Doesn’t always work

paid for it in Jean Pascal fight

Usyk and Loma have this wild Cossack way to their boxing style

If I was teaching a kid how to box, I’d show them Bivol, but if you asked me who I’d rather train I’d pick Usyk all day long.

Their footwork is exceptional. It’s somewhat unorthodox but highly effective.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Personally, I think it's that there's lower skill overall, even at the highest level, at cruiserweight and heavyweight. Higher degree of danger from single punches, but the talent pool is lower. It's especially rare to see people with good movement in those classes, let alone high activity rate, good head movement, etc. Think about how some of the top guys would do with their demonstrated skill sets and tools that they use, if they were shrunk down to a lower weight class. If Tyson Fury were shrunk to a 147lb version, how do you think he'd do? What if he were at 115?

Larger men have less coordination, it’s just biology really. How is Usyk is able to outmanoeuvre naturally bigger and stronger fighters though is very impressive.

[Apollo7]

I'd say Usyk. As already mentioned, more in his arsenal.

[GrandpaBernard]

Larger men have less coordination, it’s just biology really. How is Usyk is able to outmanoeuvre naturally bigger and stronger fighters though is very impressive.

big guys aren’t as coordinated but it’s okay

if Usyk beats Fury, it’ll eclipse BivolWAlvarez.

Despite Alvarez being the greatest opponent

Bivol wide UD Beterbiev might not even trump UsykWFury

[HeadShots]

Bivol took less damage than either Loma and usyk

he has the best defence in boxing rn imo.

some of the other guys like Stevenson fought nobody.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

big guys aren’t as coordinated but it’s okay

if Usyk beats Fury, it’ll eclipse BivolWAlvarez.

Despite Alvarez being the greatest opponent

Bivol wide UD Beterbiev might not even trump UsykWFury

Usyk beating Fury is an ATG win IMO. I do favour Fury though tbh.

I’ll be very interested to see if Bivol can keep Beterbiev off of him. I think that’s the key to that fight. Father time is rapidly gaining on Beterbiev too, he’ll probably be 40+ if they eventually fight.

[crimsonfalcon07]

If I was teaching a kid how to box, I’d show them Bivol, but if you asked me who I’d rather train I’d pick Usyk all day long.

Their footwork is exceptional. It’s somewhat unorthodox but highly effective.

Thing for me is that what makes Bivol exceptional is so hard to see. He looks like he just does the basics, but it's the timing and ring awareness that makes him truly elite. It's not until you break down moments and look at the subtle details that you really realize what a genius he is. And it definitely doesn't help that he's had some inconsistent performances in which he seemed to fight down to the level of his competition.

But look at how he keeps himself off the ropes. He knows right where he is in the ring, and he times an attack right when the opponent is stepping or in a compromised position and can't counter. Blinds them with the offense as he's moving, so when they break the guard, he's gone into the center of the ring. He's brilliant at rhythm too. Both of those are things that novices usually won't notice at all. I like how he uses his straights to pin a high guard, and alter the timing of the following hook/uppercut to come around the glove immediately so they can't defend it, but he's not actually holding so he can't get penalized. He does that with the 1-2 also, landing at a 1-1.25 count. Looks basic, but things that many top guys don't do.

[GrandpaBernard]

If I was teaching a kid how to box, I’d show them Bivol, but if you asked me who I’d rather train I’d pick Usyk all day long.

Their footwork is exceptional. It’s somewhat unorthodox but highly effective.

I’m left handed but prefer watching orthies like Bivol box

the jab doesn’t land the same in lefty VS righty fights

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Thing for me is that what makes Bivol exceptional is so hard to see. He looks like he just does the basics, but it's the timing and ring awareness that makes him truly elite. It's not until you break down moments and look at the subtle details that you really realize what a genius he is. And it definitely doesn't help that he's had some inconsistent performances in which he seemed to fight down to the level of his competition.

But look at how he keeps himself off the ropes. He knows right where he is in the ring, and he times an attack right when the opponent is stepping or in a compromised position and can't counter. Blinds them with the offense as he's moving, so when they break the guard, he's gone into the center of the ring. He's brilliant at rhythm too. Both of those are things that novices usually won't notice at all. I like how he uses his straights to pin a high guard, and alter the timing of the following hook/uppercut to come around the glove immediately so they can't defend it, but he's not actually holding so he can't get penalized. He does that with the 1-2 also, landing at a 1-1.25 count. Looks basic, but things that many top guys don't do.

He’s a just very fundamentally solid boxer IMO. That’s not a detraction either. He’s a great fighter, one of the best in the world. You could probably say the same about somebody like B-Hop who also had superb fundamentals.

Usyk is far more creative for me, the way he utilises angles and footwork is something I haven’t seen in a Heavyweight for many years.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I’m left handed but prefer watching orthies like Bivol box

the jab doesn’t land the same in lefty VS righty fights

I’d say I don’t have a preference but most of my favourite fighters were orthodox so maybe I do.