Comments Thread For: Demetrious Johnson Wants Ngannou To Continue in Boxing, Sees Nothing Left For Him in MMA

[TMLT87]

Money talks and BS walks. Boxing is hot and MMA’S not. (At least, not like it was 5 years ago).

Boxing is the bigger, more globalized sport in spite of some brilliant marketing strategies made by the UFC which includes cornering the market, deals with ESPN and advertisers, and retaining fighters through what have been called "slave contracts", paying them a small percentage of the proceeds.
Above all, boxing is where the long, storied History resides.

Few MMA stars have ever had a choice, but McGregor and Ngannou did, and boxing is where they made their money, after the UFC had invested heavily their exposure.

In MMA the talent is thin, particularly at heavyweight, where Ngannou would make quick work of current title holder Jon Jones or anybody else.

In Boxing, conversely; there are loads of massive fights out there for the Boxer-MMA stylist to earn from, as he builds on what he's begun by pressing the underprepared champion for all he's worth, in a shocker event.

This is a whole lot of attempted positive spin on a 37 year old MMA guy with multiple losses beating the **** out of the supposed best HW boxer on the planet in his first ever boxing match......

[factsarenice]

Money talks and BS walks. Boxing is hot and MMA’S not. (At least, not like it was 5 years ago).

Boxing is the bigger, more globalized sport in spite of some brilliant marketing strategies made by the UFC which includes cornering the market, deals with ESPN and advertisers, and retaining fighters through what have been called "slave contracts", paying them a small percentage of the proceeds.
Above all, boxing is where the long, storied History resides.

Few MMA stars have ever had a choice, but McGregor and Ngannou did, and boxing is where they made their money, after the UFC had invested heavily their exposure.

In MMA the talent is thin, particularly at heavyweight, where Ngannou would make quick work of current title holder Jon Jones or anybody else.

In Boxing, conversely; there are loads of massive fights out there for the Boxer-MMA stylist to earn from, as he builds on what he's begun by pressing the underprepared champion for all he's worth, in a shocker event.

Well thought out,spot on.

[Willow The Wisp]

Hes probably never going back to MMA now because of the boxing paydays, but I absolutely disagree with there being nothing left for him in MMA. For me a fight with Jones, the Aspinall/Pavlovich winner, a Gane rematch, maybe somewhere down the line Jailton, or outside of the UFC just using his profile to help build the PFL as a serious competitor, maybe fight someone like Malykhin, all of that would have been more interesting than anything he can do in boxing because of the potential stylistic match ups etc.

Good post.
However, Those look more like fights appropriate for Jon Jones to help erase the stigma of having overtly avoided Ngannou, awaiting his departure to ease into the heavyweight division by beating Ngannou victims.

Francis Ngannou has graduated beyond MMA and their paltry paydays, and it is a sport / rules-set that he has already mastered.

[Hustle]

Doubt dana will ever allow him back in the UFC , as for building the PFL, i doubt he'll sacrifice life changing money and generational wealth for that, especially since he's gonna be 38 soon.

If dana didnt like ngannou contract demands before. Ngannou definitely costs to much for dana now

[A.B Counterhooks]

Ofc francis needs to stay in boxing hes good enough to hang in there with them big boys ,besides uncle Dana banned him from the UFC so he really aint got much choice.

[Willow The Wisp]

This is a whole lot of attempted positive spin on a 37 year old MMA guy with multiple losses beating the **** out of the supposed best HW boxer on the planet in his first ever boxing match......

Well, it's an accurate accounting like everything I gift to the audience here. You learn and move yourself forward on knowing the topic, or you don't.

Show me the great MMA Heavyweight who's lacking the "Multiple losses":

1. Fedor Emelianenko 40-7-0. RUS. 6-1. 2
2. Francis Ngannou. 17-3-0. CAM.
3. Stipe Miocic. 20-4-0. US
4. Antonio Robrigo Nogueira. 34-10-1. BRZ
5. Cain Velasquez. 14-3-0. US
6. Fabricio Werdum. 24-9-1. BRZ
7. Jon Jones. 27-1-0. US
8. Junior Dos Santos. 21-10-0. BRZ
9. Randy Couture. 19-11-0. US
10. Josh Barnett. 35-8-0. US
11. Tim Sylvia. 31-10-0. US
12. Vitor Belfort. 26-14-1 BRZ
13. Alistair Overeem. 47-19-0. NET
14. Royce Gracie. 15-2-3. BRZ
15. Ken Shamrock. 28-17-2. US
16. Mirko Filipovic. 38-11-2. CRO
17. Dan Severn. 101-19-7. US
18. Bas Rutten 28-4-1. NET
19. Daniel Cormier 22-3-0. US
20. Frank Mir. 19-13-0. US
21. Andrei Arlovski. 34-22-0. RUS
22. Mark Coleman. 16-10-0. US
23. Igor Vovchanchyn. 55-10-1. UKR
24. Brock Lesnar 5-3-0. US
25. Curtis Blaydes. 17-4-0. US

[HENNY]

Well, it's an accurate accounting like everything I gift to the audience here. You learn and move yourself forward on knowing the topic, or you don't.

Show me the great MMA Heavyweight who's lacking the "Multiple losses":

1. Fedor Emelianenko 40-7-0. RUS. 6-1. 2
2. Francis Ngannou. 17-3-0. CAM.
3. Stipe Miocic. 20-4-0. US
4. Antonio Robrigo Nogueira. 34-10-1. BRZ
5. Cain Velasquez. 14-3-0. US
6. Fabricio Werdum. 24-9-1. BRZ
7. Jon Jones. 27-1-0. US
8. Junior Dos Santos. 21-10-0. BRZ
9. Randy Couture. 19-11-0. US
10. Josh Barnett. 35-8-0. US
11. Tim Sylvia. 31-10-0. US
12. Vitor Belfort. 26-14-1 BRZ
13. Alistair Overeem. 47-19-0. NET
14. Royce Gracie. 15-2-3. BRZ
15. Ken Shamrock. 28-17-2. US
16. Mirko Filipovic. 38-11-2. CRO
17. Dan Severn. 101-19-7. US
18. Bas Rutten 28-4-1. NET
19. Daniel Cormier 22-3-0. US
20. Frank Mir. 19-13-0. US
21. Andrei Arlovski. 34-22-0. RUS
22. Mark Coleman. 16-10-0. US
23. Igor Vovchanchyn. 55-10-1. UKR
24. Brock Lesnar 5-3-0. US
25. Curtis Blaydes. 17-4-0. US

Yeah, exactly. MMA organizations match the best vs the best. And typically, when you consistently fight the best in their prime, you'll end up with a loss or few

As much as many of us love boxing, we all can agree that this is where boxing suffers greatly

[TMLT87]

Well, it's an accurate accounting like everything I gift to the audience here. You learn and move yourself forward on knowing the topic, or you don't.

Show me the great MMA Heavyweight who's lacking the "Multiple losses":

1. Fedor Emelianenko 40-7-0. RUS. 6-1. 2
2. Francis Ngannou. 17-3-0. CAM.
3. Stipe Miocic. 20-4-0. US
4. Antonio Robrigo Nogueira. 34-10-1. BRZ
5. Cain Velasquez. 14-3-0. US
6. Fabricio Werdum. 24-9-1. BRZ
7. Jon Jones. 27-1-0. US
8. Junior Dos Santos. 21-10-0. BRZ
9. Randy Couture. 19-11-0. US
10. Josh Barnett. 35-8-0. US
11. Tim Sylvia. 31-10-0. US
12. Vitor Belfort. 26-14-1 BRZ
13. Alistair Overeem. 47-19-0. NET
14. Royce Gracie. 15-2-3. BRZ
15. Ken Shamrock. 28-17-2. US
16. Mirko Filipovic. 38-11-2. CRO
17. Dan Severn. 101-19-7. US
18. Bas Rutten 28-4-1. NET
19. Daniel Cormier 22-3-0. US
20. Frank Mir. 19-13-0. US
21. Andrei Arlovski. 34-22-0. RUS
22. Mark Coleman. 16-10-0. US
23. Igor Vovchanchyn. 55-10-1. UKR
24. Brock Lesnar 5-3-0. US
25. Curtis Blaydes. 17-4-0. US

You're conveniently ignoring that Fedor, widely considered the best MMA HW ever, went a decade and 30+ fights undefeated (okay, one fluke "loss" from a cut, that he avenged easily), and that was in MMA, where undefeated records arent handed out like candy and engineered to happen to anyone halfway decent that a promoter wants to market.

Anyway, my point was simply that its not like Ngannou is some complete anomaly in MMA, hes lost there, multiple times, even losing in the stand up occasionally, and hes just gone in there against a 33-0 inflated record boxer who is supposed to be the best HW of his era, and he beat the **** out of him and dropped him. Not sure how you could possibly see that as some gain for boxing, especially considering Ngannou is 37 years old already.

[Oldskoolg]

Any mma fighter who is athletic and can actually box needs to leave mma. I really wonder how many potentially good boxers could have been lost to mma. I’ve always said the rise of nfl football in the inner cities killed American heavyweight boxing

[Willow The Wisp]

You're conveniently ignoring that Fedor, widely considered the best MMA HW ever, went a decade and 30+ fights undefeated (okay, one fluke "loss" from a cut, that he avenged easily), and that was in MMA, where undefeated records arent handed out like candy and engineered to happen to anyone halfway decent that a promoter wants to market.

Anyway, my point was simply that its not like Ngannou is some complete anomaly in MMA, hes lost there, multiple times, even losing in the stand up occasionally, and hes just gone in there against a 33-0 inflated record boxer who is supposed to be the best HW of his era, and he beat the **** out of him and dropped him. Not sure how you could possibly see that as some gain for boxing, especially considering Ngannou is 37 years old already.

I think boxing has gained Ngannou and Ngannou’s gained a career-high payday and a higher paying, higher profile job. Fury has gained a valuable reminder that if you don't put in the time you're natural gifts can make up only so much ground. Boxing has gained another global blockbuster and a highly public soapbox to reiterate it's claim to being where the best natural fighter talent is drawn to. This was a good, non-title scrap.
if anyone's still hung up about the Boxing vs. MMA thing; we ought to accept by now that all sport fighters are cut from the same cloth and can pivot between rules by dialing in their training; and this was hardly a Mercer vs. Silvia type of wake-up call.