That’s a dark, dark day for boxing.

[Atypicalbrit]

I had Ngannou slightly ahead on the night, I wasn't really scoring properly because I was so stunned by what I was seeing.

There was a lot (eight) close rounds where very little happened so I can't call it a robbery, because I can see how you could make a case for Fury edging it by taking most of the dull rounds.

The most shocking thing to me was Fury's lack of urgency going into the last couple of rounds, he looked to me almost like he almost mentally quit and was just happy to go the distance, ur was really embarrasing.

It gets even worse when you consider that Ngannou won more rounds vs Fury than Wilder, a guy with 10 heavyweight title defences.

But it tells the story to me, boxers are getting fat and lazy on these big easy paydays, not taking risks, not fighting each other, boxing is getting soft, MMA is still a cauldron where no fighter is allowed to play it safe, they are tougher men.

[TMLT87]

(MMA guys now suddenly start talking.
When a guy who makes video's for a living was face planting their champions one by one they were all very quiet...)

That "guy who makes videos for a living" has been training boxing seriously for 5-6 years with access to high end resources, sparring partners, coaching etc. And which champions did he beat?

As far as the other comment about the lower weight classes. I dont think any MMA guys could challenge Inoue, Bud etc level fighters obviously but I wouldnt be surprised if some of the better MMA boxers could beat a few guys in the top 30 even in the better divisions. Its not exactly inconceivable that someone like Max Holloway could outbox lets say Ekow Essuman is it?

[Atypicalbrit]

That "guy who makes videos for a living" has been training boxing seriously for 5-6 years with access to high end resources, sparring partners, coaching etc. And which champions did he beat?

As far as the other comment about the lower weight classes. I dont think any MMA guys could challenge Inoue, Bud etc level fighters obviously but I wouldnt be surprised if some of the better MMA boxers could beat a few guys in the top 30 even in the better divisions. Its not exactly inconceivable that someone like Max Holloway could outbox lets say Ekow Essuman is it?

It should be inconceivable I think that's the point.

Boxing simply doesn't have any reason to exist if top MMA guys are able to start coming into boxing and outboxing good boxers or even worse, boxing champions.

We already know MMA fighters would literally kill boxers in a cage or on the street, if boxers can't even beat them at boxing just close the sport down because it's pointless.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

this clown created a thread about a fight he hasnt even watched

And you’re still crying about it you weird little f***.

Whose alt is this?

[TMLT87]

It should be inconceivable I think that's the point.

Boxing simply doesn't have any reason to exist if top MMA guys are able to start coming into boxing and outboxing good boxers or even worse, boxing champions.

We already know MMA fighters would literally kill boxers in a cage or on the street, if boxers can't even beat them at boxing just close the sport down because it's pointless.

Boxing will always have a reason to exist, sometimes you just wanna strip things down to hands vs hands hit and not get hit. There is an appeal to the purity and simplicity of pure boxing rules. Its also relatively aesthetically pleasing.

[PerfectJab]

That "guy who makes videos for a living" has been training boxing seriously for 5-6 years with access to high end resources, sparring partners, coaching etc. And which champions did he beat?

As far as the other comment about the lower weight classes. I dont think any MMA guys could challenge Inoue, Bud etc level fighters obviously but I wouldnt be surprised if some of the better MMA boxers could beat a few guys in the top 30 even in the better divisions. Its not exactly inconceivable that someone like Max Holloway could outbox lets say Ekow Essuman is it?

Well, if you want the details it becomes even more embarrassing..

Jake Paul has a wrestling background and started training striking far later than MMA'ers.
After 5-6 years Paul's technique is still terrible and his only 'professional' fights were fighting other YouTubers and a basketball player before dropping/face planting 4 professional MMA fighters with a combined fighting record of 129 fights.
2 of them where former UFC champions and 1 a former Bellator and ONE champion.

[TMLT87]

Well, if you want the details it becomes even more embarrassing..

Jake is athletic, in his 20s, a multi millionaire, on PEDs and trained SPECIFICALLY for BOXING for YEARS. Is he particularly good? no, but he isnt just a "Youtuber". Hes better than plenty of actual career boxers. Now lets look at his opponents...

Askren - old, smaller, ex-olympic wrestler who was badly physically broken down and who is a strong frontrunner for worst male striker ever to enter the UFC. Went 1-2 in the UFC with the win being highly controversial. Is the victim of the fastest KO in UFC history.

Woodley - big step up as he was athletic and had power, but he was also again older, smaller, and had lost his last 4 fights in a row. Also his base was wrestling and he used that to set up his striking in MMA. He was also known to switch off and just stand there with his back against the cage at times.

Anderson - Still had skills and wasnt smaller, but was pushing 50, lost his belt TEN ****ING YEARS AGO and then proceeded to lose almost every fight he had since.

Nate - cardio machine with a good chin but pillow fisted even in 4oz gloves, extremely hittable, moves like a sloth and willing to spend time showboating and being ******ed during fights. Also again old and smaller, and had most of his career success fighting at 155lbs.

So all in all...i'm not sure whats supposed to be damning about any of this? an athletic rich kid with several years of boxing training can cherry pick and beat some older/smaller/stylistically vulnerable guys from a different sport? not to mention one of those MMA guys he beat had beaten JCC jr ie an actual boxer not long before that, so its not a stretch to assume Jake is good enough to beat "real boxers" too if he cherry picks like he does with the MMA guys..no? he just goes after MMA guys because they have more name value than the boxers at the level he could beat.

[Marchegiano]

Not the first time this has happened or the most egregious.

Y'all know about that time America sent a black man to England to beat him up under his rules? Molyneaux has a legacy of being a slave fighter or a RnT champion. Either way, he came from no-rules fighting into boxing and kicked the champion's ass. Didn't simply do well, he kicked the champion's ass.


Y'all remember that time America was home to a fugitive boxer from Ireland who had made a name for himself by defeating Irish, Scottish, English, and Australian champions while on his way to being crowned the first American champion only to be stopped by a "young American" (Means first gen born in the states) who had come from no-rules prizefighting?


I mean, boxing has ate it hard in the past. All that happens is homie is a boxer now, gets remembered as a boxer, and his extra-boxing activities become something largely forgotten by most boxing fans.


How many rasslin' matches were John L in?

How about exhibitions against anyone trained in anything for Jeffries?

Oh but you fools know them fools is boxing champions doe.

Dig it? Once upon a time betting on a no-rules fight was more popular in the states than boxing was. All that popularity, all that staying power ya know? Promos and ****, all that ****, what do you know about it? **** and all? Got ya, but the champions from the early 20th, Dempsey, Sharkey, and ****, you know those names huh?

Get what I am telling y'all? Ngannou just became a boxer. His MMA career only matters if MMA lasts and mixed rules and or no rules 'sports' never, ever, do. It'll be dead before it is 100.

[QueensburyRules]

Not the first time this has happened or the most egregious.

Y'all know about that time America sent a black man to England to beat him up under his rules? Molyneaux has a legacy of being a slave fighter or a RnT champion. Either way, he came from no-rules fighting into boxing and kicked the champion's ass. Didn't simply do well, he kicked the champion's ass.


Y'all remember that time America was home to a fugitive boxer from Ireland who had made a name for himself by defeating Irish, Scottish, English, and Australian champions while on his way to being crowned the first American champion only to be stopped by a "young American" (Means first gen born in the states) who had come from no-rules prizefighting?


I mean, boxing has ate it hard in the past. All that happens is homie is a boxer now, gets remembered as a boxer, and his extra-boxing activities become something largely forgotten by most boxing fans.


How many rasslin' matches were John L in?

How about exhibitions against anyone trained in anything for Jeffries?

Oh but you fools know them fools is boxing champions doe.

Dig it? Once upon a time betting on a no-rules fight was more popular in the states than boxing was. All that popularity, all that staying power ya know? Promos and ****, all that ****, what do you know about it? **** and all? Got ya, but the champions from the early 20th, Dempsey, Sharkey, and ****, you know those names huh?

Get what I am telling y'all? Ngannou just became a boxer. His MMA career only matters if MMA lasts and mixed rules and or no rules 'sports' never, ever, do. It'll be dead before it is 100.

- - Tom Cribb KOed Molineaux twice that sent Molineaux into a drunken tailspin and early death..

Who gave you the key to the liquor cabinet?

[Marchegiano]

- - Tom Cribb KOed Molineaux twice that sent Molineaux into a drunken tailspin and early death..

Who gave you the key to the liquor cabinet?

Did anyone make Franny a belt?

STFU and sit in the corner. You are easy work.