Floyd has lw power at ww FACT

[PensionKiller]

To KO Hatton you need decent power. He may have been shot and taken too many shots and bloated up too much, but you need atleast JWW power.

May has very bad hands and can't use his full power. He's abit like Calzaghe. Calzaghe use to brawl, which he isn't great at and that made some fights close when it shouldn't be. Since not being able to KO/TKO his opponents, he started to fight for the UD, which his style is suited for. Mayweather does the same, although he does claim to KO people and say he is the best ever which is my only problem.

Prior to Marquez fight, he said P4P doesn't mean crap. It's only people making it up and doesn't matter. If he said that abotu ATG then he will get more respect from me.

[shogunn]

There was one shot that made me really question his power at WW.

Floyd hit Hatton with a straight right potshot while Hatton stepped in, his head rocked back hard, but he still held onto floyd, and continued to fight on for another 2 rounds. He was already getting doozy before that shot.

I think any strong WW with that kind of shot wouldve KO'd Hatton at that point. Floyd is very safe and patient and is more comfortable to take a judges decision. He couldnt have KOd JMM at any point, he just couldnt.

[jrosales13]

What makes Floyd a "true WW"? The fact that 85% of his career fights took place at 140 and below?

Ummm no? The fact that he can not make 144 is what makes him a true WW

[Al Haymon]

The TS is saying that Floyd doesn't have power at 147 so it does matter in this thread. Anyway,

The pre-JLC Floyd and the post-JLC Floyd are 2 different animals, one had balls up to his neck and the other hides them in his cabinet. Pre-JLC Floyd was a beast with both the skills and the balls, after he just cared about how much money he was going to make without having to fight too much. Conclusion, pre-JLC, PBF would have always gone for the knockout. Post-JLC, PBF always goes for the boring, potshotting, most lucrative UD. Floyd has power but he just won't take the risk. Period.

Weren't Ndou, corley, gatti and hatton all post-JLC? Which of those fights were "boring, potshotting' style?

In fact, weren't ndou and corley probably two of the most engaging fights he has had (along with chavez)

[COACH WEBB]

Weren't Ndou, corley, gatti and hatton all post-JLC? Which of those fights were "boring, potshotting' style?

In fact, weren't ndou and corley probably two of the most engaging fights he has had (along with chavez)

yea....I didn't get what he was saying with the who "pre JLC" and "post JLC"..you bring up a good point.

[jrosales13]

The TS is saying that Floyd doesn't have power at 147 so it does matter in this thread. Anyway,

The pre-JLC Floyd and the post-JLC Floyd are 2 different animals, one had balls up to his neck and the other hides them in his cabinet. Pre-JLC Floyd was a beast with both the skills and the balls, after he just cared about how much money he was going to make without having to fight too much. Conclusion, pre-JLC, PBF would have always gone for the knockout. Post-JLC, PBF always goes for the boring, potshotting, most lucrative UD. Floyd has power but he just won't take the risk. Period.

See I am going to disagree with you. Even befoe JLC I didn't feel he went for the KO. The only fight I remember of him going for the KO was against Angel Manfredy. He didn't go for the KO against Gregorio Vargar, I think was his name? Also against Jesus Chavez he didn't go for it. But, he did have KO power.

[freedom213]

Look at his resume and you'll see that as Floyd started moving up the divisions most of his best work have come against small jww or former lws. At ww Floyd has never KO'd anyone that could be considered close to even the Ring magazines top 10. The man hasn't carried his power which is why Mosley and Cotto both true ww would have massive advantages if Floyd backed up his mouth and fought either or both.

nope your wrong. Floyd has the power just not the desire or fearlessness it takes to display it. He's no power puncher but he could turn it on and get the best of them outta there with rapid fire combo's. But he wont.

[Al Haymon]

Ummm no? The fact that he can not make 144 is what makes him a true WW

Then, in your opinion, anybody who moves up to a late-career weight is legitimate at that weight. Right?

Because i don't think that pre-break you thought he couldn't make 144.

in MY opinion... a "natural XX-weight" doesn't mean that you are at that weight NOW and can't make a lower weight. When pazienza fought jones, i'm prety sure he couldn;t make WW. But that doesn't mean that Vinny is a "natural or legit" SMW.

Gatti was always dying to make JWW. But nobody ever considered Gatti a 'natural or legit' WW.

When SRL fought lalonde, i'm sure ray couldn't make 154. But i didn't consider ray a "natural MW or SMW'

In my mind, Floyd fought the overwhelming majority of his fights at 140 and below. those were his best weights. He is one of the smallest WW's in the division. All of that is what I personally factor into considering 135/140 as where Floyd is "natural'. manny Steward shares that view. You are welcome to dissent, and i respect your perspective.

If Shane/miguel/joshua/etc are natural WW's, then I personally consider FMJ as naturally smaller than those guys. call me crazy.

Still... 147 is where he is now....and he should fight 147'ers going forward.

[dsyef]

The Hatton fight was just an overall weird type fight. Floyd was uncharacteristicaly nervous for the fight. He was off balance alot early and seemed very uncomfortable, almost like the stage was too big for him. He didnt seem that way against Oscar or JMM so I think it was just a freak thing. Hatton also fought like an idiot and smothered Floyd all fight. I called him an idiot because he was so close that he smothered his own punches. Even his own trainer and Manny Steward said it the whole fight. Thats why I think Floyd looked that way at times but I dont think he's all that afraid to get hit. Again though, he was a smaller guy at the time of the Hatton fight. I also think he looked fragile against Baldy but he's bigger and more comfortalbe at the weight now. He's still the smallest guy there but I think he can handle himself better now.

However, I have always said that I wouldnt be too excited about him going straight from a JMM fight to a big WW fight. I think that may be a shock to his system. Thats why I have always said that I could see him fighting someone like a Berto or Collazo in between then but you know that no one will understand that and they will call him a ***** for not fighting the top guys again

Fighting Berto or Collazo. Berto is one tough customer I don't think anyone will call him a pssy for that, but Floyds an experience fighter that fought De La Hoya. I dont think the stage gets bigger than that. So i dont know why he would be nervous about his fight with Hatton. But who knows for sure Only Floyds knows that.

[jrosales13]

My favourite fighter all time is Pernell Whitaker. Some of my current favs are pacquiao, mayweather, casamayor, malignaggi, guzman, salita, maravilla martinez, etc.

So, you can see that "power" doesn't necessarily impress me. I'm actually more impressed by a Chris Byrd than i am by a Chris Arreola.

Wow Whitaker he is one of my favorite of all time. I don't care what anybody says he lossed only 1 fight. Dude was a beast in his prime. Him and Duran were the best LW I have ever seen. And, even when he was passed his prime he was still a top 5 fighter. Look at the Oscar fight. I don't understand how you can be a Whitaker fan. Who was willing to fight anybody. He took on everybody. And, yet be ok with Floyd cherrypicking. I wish Floyd had half the confidence, pride, and ballz that Whitaker had.