Comments Thread For: Crawford to De La Hoya: We Need Boxers at the Table; We Have the Power; Y'all Can't Keep Us from Using It

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Because other then boots, who else at 47 do you think can challenge bud and have a good chance at winning? Vergil is out, staionis is booked with keef, who else?

What makes you think that Boots has a good chance at winning. Who has he faced that's even close to the skill level of Crawford?

Vergil, like Boots, turned down the opportunity to fight Crawford...... Stanionis is supposed to be fighting Thurman December 9th. Which means he'd be available before Crawford would be available for a fight. But regardless, NONE OF THEM would have more than a 30% chance at beating Crawford and that's being nice. While you are mentioning these names, Boots needs to be trying to fight one of them. along with Mario Barrios.....the man who JUST CALLED HIM OUT after his last fight where he washed Yordenis Ugas for 12 rounds.

You Jaron Ennis lovers want him to skip steps and fight for Undisputed in his first attempt at any title, meanwhile you belittle other contenders who are actually fighting top opposition to put themselves in the position to fight for a title.

Egidijus Kavaliauskas has a better resume than Jaron Ennis.... So does David Avaneysan. Tell Boots to fight one of them at least. They are tougher than anyone he's faced thus far in his career.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

It’s been sitting in appalette for 2 years it’s not gonna go anywhere if it ever sees the light of day. Ur a dosser get off ur knees lol boi lol

****** ****.... It's not a TV dinner. Everything doesn't get settle right away. Some legal cases can take a few years to even reach a settlement. Especially when they are dealing with millions of dollars. Don't come on here name calling because your ignorant ass is too ****** and lazy to look at the process of a case you ignorantly commented on. Mikey Garcia had a case with Top Rank and Bob Arum and it took them 3 years before it was settled. Floyd Mayweather's case vs Top Rank/Bob Arum took 3 years to settle and he didn't get his money from them until 2013....(6/7 years after he started the case)........ Get off your drunk momma's tit and read *****. This is all public information. You do know the internet is available for research and not just **** right..... Get it together.

[YOU WILL LOSE]

Y'all sound ignorant..... No dates.....mfer he was legally bound to a rematch that allegedly has recently been voided.

Clowns go out their way to belittle Crawford. What he is saying is EXACTLY right. Why shouldn't the fighters be invited to the table?... THEY are the ones taking the biggest risk. The healthy and life is on the line for the entertainment of a bunch of ignorant mfers who feel they should stfu and let Arum, Haymon, Oscar, Eddie, Don King, etc.....maximize their pockets.

no crawford going out of his way to belittle oscar, someone who actually made money and is paying fighters today. crawford has never come out of his pocket to pay for any fighter so i dont want to hear anything about him in this regard. let him cut some checks and he can get back to us. but you know that isnt going to happen. because he didnt make big money as never took the fights people wanted. unlike oscar

he made this comment the day after his promoter got canned off another network. he goes out of his way to call out oscar when he should be talking about haymon.but he didnt. so know hes a fraud. i mean, oscar has an outlet, why does he need to come to the table?

they are trying to steal ryan garcia away. PBC desperarely need him to get back on tv, they been trying for years. , crawford is taking his orders, did he replace spence as spokesman? always trying to talk about oscar in front of ryan, these guys. that is what this is about

[OnePunch]

Just when I thought I read the dumbest response in this conversation, I come across yet another ***el....... Johnny Manziel & Antonio Brown are/were apart of a FRANCHISE that had a GM/Owner/Ceo. And that FRANCHISE belongs to the NFL.....National Football LEAGUE.....

Boxers are the franchise. They aren't apart of any league, association, etc.... They are their own businesses who perform mergers with other business (fighters) to put on a show for fans.... That's what negotiations are.

Since your simple a$$ can't tell the difference between the 2, I'll use your same flawed logic/comparison/example.

You are stating that Rodger Giddel (NFL Head Honcho) would make decisions about the league without Jerry Jones (Dallas Cowboys), Howie Roseman (Philadelphia Eagles), Mikey Loomis (New Orleans Saints), or any other VP being at the table.... Or maybe Adam Silver (NBA Commissioner) will make decisions about the NBA without Jeanie Buss (LA Lakers), Peter J. Holt (SA Spurs), Mark Cuban (Dallas Mavs), or any other owner not being at the table.

These fighters aren't ****** and they shouldn't be treated as such. THERE LIVES AND HEALTH are put at risk for the sake of entertainment and your simple a$$ suggest they shouldn't have a say in how they conduct their business.

And your "go-to" example was Johnny Manziel & Antonio Brown......2 mfers who couldn't even respect themselves or their teammates & frachises while they were apart of an organization..... What TF does that have to do with Terence Crawford or Saul Alvarez or Demtrius Andrade, etc.... being apart of a discussion that effects their careers. Mfers who have been as professional as possible throughout their career.

Your logic is massively struggling. Try again.

This is too funny. You just dont get it.

NFL players are not "a part" of the franchise. They are independent contractors who play for various franchises during their career. Now one could liken a Jerry Jones or a Mark Cuban to a Bob Arum or Al Haymon, but dont get it twisted. Athletes come and go. Executives and owners are there for the long haul. Most major sports have collective bargaining agreements that help protect the athletes interests, but the athletes are certainly NOT on the Board of Directors and are NOT shot callers in any way or form. You could certainly make the case that boxing should have a collective bargaining agreement, but your biggest opposition would probably come from the top 5% of boxers who would have to take a pay cut to make it happen.

Look, its great that you want to be some kind of white knight, a savior for the poor *************** boxers, but you obviously have no idea how things work in the real world.

[Robi13]

What makes you think that Boots has a good chance at winning. Who has he faced that's even close to the skill level of Crawford?

Vergil, like Boots, turned down the opportunity to fight Crawford...... Stanionis is supposed to be fighting Thurman December 9th. Which means he'd be available before Crawford would be available for a fight. But regardless, NONE OF THEM would have more than a 30% chance at beating Crawford and that's being nice. While you are mentioning these names, Boots needs to be trying to fight one of them. along with Mario Barrios.....the man who JUST CALLED HIM OUT after his last fight where he washed Yordenis Ugas for 12 rounds.

You Jaron Ennis lovers want him to skip steps and fight for Undisputed in his first attempt at any title, meanwhile you belittle other contenders who are actually fighting top opposition to put themselves in the position to fight for a title.

Egidijus Kavaliauskas has a better resume than Jaron Ennis.... So does David Avaneysan. Tell Boots to fight one of them at least. They are tougher than anyone he's faced thus far in his career.

I’m not against it, boots is still the number 1 threat and if he gotta beat them other contenders first, it’ll just enhance his chances as Crawford getting up there in age. Time is on boots side

[GFunk23]

Can it really be classified as a "superfight" if one guy couldn't "sell out a family dinner"?

MayPac sold huge because both guys separately sold huge.

MayGregor sold huge because both guys separately sold huge.

MayLaHoya - same thing.

Even MaySukawa - same thing.


That's why Floyd's doing what he's doing. Why fight any of the active crop when Canelo is arguably the only one that draws real money and he already washed him? That's why Tank fights who he fights - he fights the guys that have a strong following because he knows it's about who draws money at the end of the day.

Crawford couldn't even sell huge across from Shawn Porter. That's telling. The timing of the fight was just way after the sell date. It should arguably have happened INSTEAD of Crawford re-signing with Arum because there was demand for it at that time.

From a boxing fans' perspective, it was a Superfight but not from a casual fans' perspective. I think the situation you have outlined in terms of fighters' mentalities towards fights is exactly why HBO and Showtime bailed. I wish there were more true boxings fans like the ones on this forum who appreciate the sweet science amd recognize a good fight. There are too many boxers waiting/hoping for a Superfight and accompanying payday which happens every few years and too many Youtubers posing as fighters because they can draw and diluting the value of boxing as a sport

[Combat Talk Radio]

From a boxing fans' perspective, it was a Superfight but not from a casual fans' perspective. I think the situation you have outlined in terms of fighters' mentalities towards fights is exactly why HBO and Showtime bailed. I wish there were more true boxings fans like the ones on this forum who appreciate the sweet science amd recognize a good fight. There are too many boxers waiting/hoping for a Superfight and accompanying payday which happens every few years and too many Youtubers posing as fighters because they can draw and diluting the value of boxing as a sport

I'm not sure that even the fans saw it as a superfight, frankly. It had nowhere near the chatter of MayPac or Canelo/GGG or Joshua/Clinchko or Wilder/Fury.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

no crawford going out of his way to belittle oscar, someone who actually made money and is paying fighters today. crawford has never come out of his pocket to pay for any fighter so i dont want to hear anything about him in this regard. let him cut some checks and he can get back to us. but you know that isnt going to happen. because he didnt make big money as never took the fights people wanted. unlike oscar

he made this comment the day after his promoter got canned off another network. he goes out of his way to call out oscar when he should be talking about haymon.but he didnt. so know hes a fraud. i mean, oscar has an outlet, why does he need to come to the table?

they are trying to steal ryan garcia away. PBC desperarely need him to get back on tv, they been trying for years. , crawford is taking his orders, did he replace spence as spokesman? always trying to talk about oscar in front of ryan, these guys. that is what this is about

What TF are you talking about....Crawford hasn't made money?...... Clown like comments like this make me question myself in even trying to have a conversation with you.

And when has Oscar came out of pocket to pay for another fighter. Are you ****** enough to believe that these promoters are paying these fighters with their own money? You clearly don't know how this **** works and I don't have the energy to break it down for you. Use your WiFi to educate yourself rather than jumping into a conversation and saying the dumbest **** with so much confidence. Crawford doesn't need to "cut any checks" because he is not a sponsor. He doesn't fight to pay other fighters, ******.... His purse is for his expenses, lifestyle, and family. And those that know him personally, know the contribution he makes to his community consistently, thus the reason why the city LOVES that man including the mayor who just practically gave him more property to add on to his boxing academy smack dab in the middle of the hood of Omaha. Clown, Crawford has NEVER turned down a fighter who was presented to him. You are one of them dumb Man Fans who love some specific fighter who hasn't accomplished what Crawford has so you want to belittle his achievements ignoring that you favorite MAN couldn't do it. Crawford has done nothing but ask for the champions in all 3 of the divisions he's fought in. He is a 3x Lineal Champion. You ignorant mfers don't even know what a Lineal Champion is. Because if you did, then you'd realize how ****** you sound trying to make it seem like Crawford hasn't faced tough opponents.

And Al Haymon is not his promoter. Al Haymon doesn't control Crawford's career. Crawford simply signed a 3 fight contract to fight on Showtime under PBC which will be voided after December. Crawford's comment came saying that FIGHTERS should have a say in what happens with their careers being that they are the ones taking the risks with their health and lives when they get in the ring. Crawford knows this for a fact because the moment he left Top Rank and start going to the table himself to negotiate with BLK & eventually PBC, he got the fight he was asking Top Rank for and got his largest 2 paydays of his career.

Nobody is trying to steal Ryan Garcia's overhyped a$$..... Ryan Garcia went to Derrick James himself to get a knew approach to his training and Ryan made the decision to talk to PBC. If your a$$ would read, then you would know that. At least listen to his interview. Ryan said this out his own mouth. Crawford don't have **** to do with PBC. He's simply just abiding by the contract he signed because he wants to get to specific fighters whom are signed to the PBC banner like Spence, Charlo, & Canelo.

Crawford is probably THE BEST mfer to say that fighters should be brought to the table based on what he's accomplished since he's been representing himself at the negotiations instead of Bob Arum.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

This is too funny. You just dont get it.

NFL players are not "a part" of the franchise. They are independent contractors who play for various franchises during their career. Now one could liken a Jerry Jones or a Mark Cuban to a Bob Arum or Al Haymon, but dont get it twisted. Athletes come and go. Executives and owners are there for the long haul. Most major sports have collective bargaining agreements that help protect the athletes interests, but the athletes are certainly NOT on the Board of Directors and are NOT shot callers in any way or form. You could certainly make the case that boxing should have a collective bargaining agreement, but your biggest opposition would probably come from the top 5% of boxers who would have to take a pay cut to make it happen.

Look, its great that you want to be some kind of white knight, a savior for the poor *************** boxers, but you obviously have no idea how things work in the real world.

You, my friend sound dumb....your comprehension is a little off. I can't even respond to you right now because I'm not sure you are actually so clueless. I stopped taking your comment seriously when you said that NFL players are not a part of the franchise. Leading with something that ignorant, I don't expect for anything to say afterward to be informative in any way shape or form.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

I’m not against it, boots is still the number 1 threat and if he gotta beat them other contenders first, it’ll just enhance his chances as Crawford getting up there in age. Time is on boots side

You conveniently ignored the simple question that I've asked everyone who leg humps Boots.... As I expected.... This is why I look at all you Boots diehards comments casually. Y'all like to chant some of the most ignorant and illogical comments, then when someone asks you a realistic question, you run from it as fast as Boots did when Crawford's camp and the WBO presented Boots with the opportunity to fight Crawford for the WBO title.......lol.

There's no need for us to continue this conversation unless you are will to stop ignoring realistic conversation on actual events. 3 short subjects......Respond to them or just walk away from the conversation because I'm not interested in a "leg humping" session for Jaron Ennis.

1.Boots says nobody will fight him and that he is the most avoided. Who are the fighters who turned down a fight vs him? He's yet to give a name of any fighter they reached out to and they denied it for any reason. Unlike him with Crawford in which Bozy openly stated that they decided not to take the fight.

2.You claim Boots is the #1 threat. Why? Because you like his style? Who has he beat that makes him a bigger threat than David Avaneysan or Egidijus Kavaliauskas or Eimantas Stanionis or Keith Thurman?........ all of those individuals have fought tougher competition than Boots. Boots looks damn good fighting C Level fighters.

3.Time is on Boots side.....I mean, he's young, but he's not the only talented fighter whom has time on their side. Crawford could physically compete at a high level for another 4/5 years if he wanted to (which he won't as he's stated that already). Keith Thurman isn't a elder statesmen either. Vergil Ortiz, Eimantas Stanionis, Rashidi Ellis, etc.... those guys will be around for a while too and all of them have stated that they wouldn't mind sharing the ring with Boots as well.