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    Debate over UFC isn’t real, boxing’s plight is

    Debate over UFC isn’t real, boxing’s plight is
    By:Matt Culbertson
    Published On:Tuesday, October 6, 2009


    Since its inception in the 1990s, mixed martial arts has consistently come under fire by critics who call it an illegitimate sport. Sen. John McCain joined the crusade against so-called “human ****fighting” — himself a lifelong boxing fan.

    As UFC — the biggest brand in mixed martial arts — has exploded in popularity and gotten steadily more acceptable in the mainstream, there’s been a lot of garbage from the establishment and from boxing promoters in particular.

    A particularly ****** question: Is it a sport? Does it take skill? Boxing champion Floyd Mayweather seems to consider MMA a joke.

    “Put one of our guys in UFC and he’d be the champion. Any good fighter, he’d straight knock them out,” Mayweather said in 2007, making an extremely bogus argument that few took him to task for. It would have made as much sense for Shaq to say a top NBA player could dominate in football.

    There have been the ****phobic and racially charged comments, such as big-name boxing promoter Bob Arum explaining that UFC fighters are “****sexuals” and that the sport is “a bunch of skinhead white guys watching people in the ring who also look like skinhead white guys.” Similar assumptions of MMA as a racially divided sport, ignoring many of its origins and high popularity across South America and Asia, have been echoed in the mainstream — including by Mayweather himself.

    All of this rivalry was brought to a head-to-head ratings battle on Sept. 19, when the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Juan Manuel Marquez bout was broadcast on Pay-Per-View at the same time as the UFC 103 event. It’s unclear who came out on top, though in 2007, UFC’s most-watched fight had a staggering 73 percent viewer advantage over boxing’s most-viewed bout. Ratings-wise, UFC appears to be beating out boxing, especially with the coveted younger demographic.

    In the end, this is what the debate is really about: market share. There’s a growing realization that boxing is losing its relevancy to a generation raised on MMA. And that means boxers and boxing promoters especially are going to be losing a lot of money.

    There’s not really any other issue to discuss, except for the subjective question of what’s more entertaining. MMA looks brutal, yet its fatality rate of one death ever in the U.S. is hardly comparable with the extensive history of deaths in boxing. It seems MMA is safer simply by reducing punches to the head, making full-body combat medically safer than repeated blows to the head in a standing position.

    Skill-wise, there’s no argument either: MMA involves wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, Jujutsu and dozens of disciplines for extended periods of time MMA contenders are easily classified in the same category of athleticism as boxers.

    In the past, boxing had a virtual monopoly on televised combat. Even as boxing loses popularity to MMA, it will never lose its place in American sports and culture. But make no mistake, the intense battle over MMA as a legitimate sport has little basis in reality. It’s driven by rich guys saying whatever they think will keep their sport’s ratings from slipping.
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    I thought this was an interesting article.

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    • Ravishing
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      The thing people gotta understand is Boxing is over 100 yrs old, of course it's going to have a lot more prestige and history to follow, but MMA is still in its infancy. It's like a 30 year old making fun of a toddler because he can't tie his shoes properly. Is that fair?

      If you like Boxing, that's great. But most of the time when people discredit or bash something it usually is a result of envy. Of course, nobody is going to admit that, but somethings just don't need explaining.

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        Originally posted by Ravishing
        The thing people gotta understand is Boxing is over 100 yrs old, of course it's going to have a lot more prestige and history to follow, but MMA is still in its infancy. It's like a 30 year old making fun of a toddler because he can't tie his shoes properly. Is that fair?
        If you like Boxing, that's great. But most of the time when people discredit or bash something it usually is a result of envy. Of course, nobody is going to admit that, but somethings just don't need explaining.
        I like that comparison. LOL

        I love boxing, I like MMA. The two should be able to coexist but boxing needs to do a better job attracting the younger generation. Young boxing fans turn into old boxing fans. Just like young MMA fans turn into older MMA fans. If boxing is losing those teenagers who might have gotten into boxing, they need to do a better job.

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          #5
          Originally posted by dans01234
          Debate over UFC isn’t real, boxing’s plight is
          By:Matt Culbertson
          Published On:Tuesday, October 6, 2009


          Since its inception in the 1990s, mixed martial arts has consistently come under fire by critics who call it an illegitimate sport. Sen. John McCain joined the crusade against so-called “human ****fighting” — himself a lifelong boxing fan.

          As UFC — the biggest brand in mixed martial arts — has exploded in popularity and gotten steadily more acceptable in the mainstream, there’s been a lot of garbage from the establishment and from boxing promoters in particular.

          A particularly ****** question: Is it a sport? Does it take skill? Boxing champion Floyd Mayweather seems to consider MMA a joke.

          “Put one of our guys in UFC and he’d be the champion. Any good fighter, he’d straight knock them out,” Mayweather said in 2007, making an extremely bogus argument that few took him to task for. It would have made as much sense for Shaq to say a top NBA player could dominate in football.

          There have been the ****phobic and racially charged comments, such as big-name boxing promoter Bob Arum explaining that UFC fighters are “****sexuals” and that the sport is “a bunch of skinhead white guys watching people in the ring who also look like skinhead white guys.” Similar assumptions of MMA as a racially divided sport, ignoring many of its origins and high popularity across South America and Asia, have been echoed in the mainstream — including by Mayweather himself.

          All of this rivalry was brought to a head-to-head ratings battle on Sept. 19, when the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Juan Manuel Marquez bout was broadcast on Pay-Per-View at the same time as the UFC 103 event. It’s unclear who came out on top, though in 2007, UFC’s most-watched fight had a staggering 73 percent viewer advantage over boxing’s most-viewed bout. Ratings-wise, UFC appears to be beating out boxing, especially with the coveted younger demographic.

          In the end, this is what the debate is really about: market share. There’s a growing realization that boxing is losing its relevancy to a generation raised on MMA. And that means boxers and boxing promoters especially are going to be losing a lot of money.

          There’s not really any other issue to discuss, except for the subjective question of what’s more entertaining. MMA looks brutal, yet its fatality rate of one death ever in the U.S. is hardly comparable with the extensive history of deaths in boxing. It seems MMA is safer simply by reducing punches to the head, making full-body combat medically safer than repeated blows to the head in a standing position.

          Skill-wise, there’s no argument either: MMA involves wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, Jujutsu and dozens of disciplines for extended periods of time MMA contenders are easily classified in the same category of athleticism as boxers.

          In the past, boxing had a virtual monopoly on televised combat. Even as boxing loses popularity to MMA, it will never lose its place in American sports and culture. But make no mistake, the intense battle over MMA as a legitimate sport has little basis in reality. It’s driven by rich guys saying whatever they think will keep their sport’s ratings from slipping.
          If anything I thought MMA was dieing. It's coming across as what it really is: meathead street brawlers with no skill.

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            Originally posted by them_apples
            If anything I thought MMA was dieing. It's coming across as what it really is: meathead street brawlers with no skill.
            Couldn't be further from the truth Salvador. The fact you call it a meathead sport with street brawlers shows me you don't watch MMA at all. Most of the UFC today consists of Brazillian Ju Jujitsu and Muy Thai Boxers along with collegiate, world class Wrestlers and trained Kickboxers.

            That's like lookin at Butterbean and sayin "Boxing's full of fat phucks", but I'm sure you won't agree with that of course, right?

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              Originally posted by Ravishing
              Couldn't be further from the truth Salvador. The fact you call it a meathead sport with street brawlers shows me you don't watch MMA at all. Most of the UFC today consists of Brazillian Ju Jujitsu and Muy Thai Boxers along with collegiate, world class Wrestlers and trained Kickboxers.

              That's like lookin at Butterbean and sayin "Boxing's full of fat phucks", but I'm sure you won't agree with that of course, right?
              I think this is a common misconception because of guys like Brock Lesnar. Even though Lesnar himself was a collegiate wrestling national champion.

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                INCREDIBLY biased article.

                All of this rivalry was brought to a head-to-head ratings battle on Sept. 19, when the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Juan Manuel Marquez bout was broadcast on Pay-Per-View at the same time as the UFC 103 event. It’s unclear who came out on top, though in 2007, UFC’s most-watched fight had a staggering 73 percent viewer advantage over boxing’s most-viewed bout. Ratings-wise, UFC appears to be beating out boxing, especially with the coveted younger demographic.
                This quote pissed me off. Its EXTREMELY clear who won that battle, it was Maywather-Marquez and Dana White himself admitted this, but this writer chose to completely ignore that little fact and decided bring up an instance where MMA beat out Boxing.

                2007 by the way, the year this guy claims UFC had a 73% viewer advantage over boxings highest viewed event, was the same year as Mayweather-DLH, which did 2.4 million PPV buys the highest grossing in history, so wat this guy is saying is almost entirely bull****

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                  Originally posted by Kball15
                  INCREDIBLY biased article.



                  This quote pissed me off. Its EXTREMELY clear who won that battle, it was Maywather-Marquez and Dana White himself admitted this, but this writer chose to completely ignore that little fact and decided bring up an instance where MMA beat out Boxing.

                  2007 by the way, the year this guy claims UFC had a 73% viewer advantage over boxings highest viewed event, was the same year as Mayweather-DLH, which did 2.4 million PPV buys the highest grossing in history, so wat this guy is saying is almost entirely bull****
                  That's one fight though bro. No other Boxing PPV has met that mark to date. The UFC consistently draws 300-450k for it's PPVs and from 600k -1million PPVs for big cards. If I'm a dude who's running a company, I'd like to see consistency more than 1 huge event. The math is much more lucrative.

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                    Originally posted by Ravishing
                    That's one fight though bro. No other Boxing PPV has met that mark to date. The UFC consistently draws 300-450k for it's PPVs and from 600k -1million PPVs for big cards. If I'm a dude who's running a company, I'd like to see consistency more than 1 huge event. The math is much more lucrative.
                    who cares im not saying which is more popular, im saying this writer CLEARLY has a bias, and is incredibly mis-informed and his information is incorrect.

                    Its a very weak piece of writing

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