Comments Thread For: Carl Froch Slams Fury-KSI: Everyone Agrees How **** It Was, Probably Worst Fight I've Seen

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

While I don't think Tommy is an amazing fighter or even a decent prospect I still believe people are too hard on him.
He doesn't claim to be good and he always says he needs to do a lot better. Like Tyson, their dad is the one constantly saying a bunch of bs (although Tyson has gone off his meds the past couple of years lol).

I didn't pay for the fight, but having seen clips there was no way for Tommy to show off or do anything. Like Tommy's fight against the MMA fighter, KSI came in to survive and did nothing but throw a haymaker as a distraction and then immediately clinched Tommy.
For some reason all these youtubers are scared of Tommy and refuse to actually box.

While I agree that it's Tommy's fault for taking these fights instead of going back and building up experience with real fighters, you can't blame him for not knocking these bums out when their whole goal is to go the distance and then claim they were robbed.

I respect Tommy for not being a outrageous ****y douche like his brother and father and his realistic approach to his boxing career. I get why people dislike him, but it's very clear most people hate him due to his last name.

Tommy Fury was falling in behind his punches, which allowed KSI to initiate a lot of clinches. Furthermore, Fury is a professional boxer, who's stated his been boxing since six. Therefore, I'd imagine his ability should be above what he showed. Fury offered nothing offensively outside of a jab and right hand, which had zero variation. Fury has the physical advantages yet he's allowing KSI to clinch even though all KSI can do is bounce on his toes, jab, and overhand? KSI and Tommy both refused to box to any level above novice.

[1Eriugenus]

Bullydean, you know, as well as I do, that if KSI had been ****** enough to insinuate himself into a fight with Yarde or Buatsi he would've been out in 30 seconds, either stretched or in agonising pain, depending on whether they went to head or body. I totally appreciate that Tommy isn't remotely claiming to be at that level, he is a novice, but he also claims that he wants to be at that level. Brutally, a boxer that wants to be World, or European, or even British & Commonwealth level, doesn't find it difficult to work out a big, strong non-boxer swinging his arms around & tying him up. A good boxer makes space, finds one punch & that is all she wrote!

[bullydean]

Tommy Fury was falling in behind his punches, which allowed KSI to initiate a lot of clinches. Furthermore, Fury is a professional boxer, who's stated his been boxing since six. Therefore, I'd imagine his ability should be above what he showed. Fury offered nothing offensively outside of a jab and right hand, which had zero variation. Fury has the physical advantages yet he's allowing KSI to clinch even though all KSI can do is bounce on his toes, jab, and overhand? KSI and Tommy both refused to box to any level above novice.

He can't really show his ability when his opponents only goal is to clinch and survive.
How is he supposed to get KSI off of him when he's completely wrapped around him?
How is he supposed set up his shots or do anything different when he has to chase his opponent across the ring?

It's like getting mad at Canelo for not knocking out Charlo. What's Canelo supposed to do? The guy trained to survive the night, not try to win.
The difference is Charlo decided to hold his guard up instead of hold the whole fight.

Like I said before. I don't even think Tommy is a decent prospect yet, but he can't do anything if his opponent is going to be a clown the whole fight instead of actually boxing.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

He can't really show his ability when his opponents only goal is to clinch and survive.
How is he supposed to get KSI off of him when he's completely wrapped around him?
How is he supposed set up his shots or do anything different when he has to chase his opponent across the ring?

It's like getting mad at Canelo for not knocking out Charlo. What's Canelo supposed to do? The guy trained to survive the night, not try to win.
The difference is Charlo decided to hold his guard up instead of hold the whole fight.

Like I said before. I don't even think Tommy is a decent prospect yet, but he can't do anything if his opponent is going to be a clown the whole fight instead of actually boxing.

Okay, so KSI isn't running around the ring, he's literally jumping on his toes, which actually leaves him vulnerable if you time the bounce. So how to avoid the holding, very easy KSI always dipped to his right and clinched as Tommy overstepped, so if Tommy had any ability he would of framed or simply stepped around the dip. Tommy Fury doesn't have any footwork outside of moving in straight line just like KSI, not at any occasion did it dawn on Tommy to side-step in the clinch.

You're attempting to make excuses for Fury as if the bigger man shouldn't be able to outmanoeuvre the smaller man in the clinch. Fury literally held and hit, hit round the back of the head and overall lacked any ability on the inside. Fury should be able to break KSI posture by manipulating the biceps and head; he's the bigger man.

KSI didn't box any worse than Fury, both men looked horrendous, which is as much Fury's fault as KSI. KSI landed overhands from the first round until the last and Fury answer was what? A wide hook that often landed high on the head or missed because KSI falls in behind the punch. Fury couldn't adjust his offense to counter an overhand something Juniors throw.

[Lance98]

Tommy is green, and ksi is trash. They are both bad, ksi was more bad. They can stop with these dumb fights.

[bullydean]

Okay, so KSI isn't running around the ring, he's literally jumping on his toes, which actually leaves him vulnerable if you time the bounce. So how to avoid the holding, very easy KSI always dipped to his right and clinched as Tommy overstepped, so if Tommy had any ability he would of framed or simply stepped around the dip. Tommy Fury doesn't have any footwork outside of moving in straight line just like KSI, not at any occasion did it dawn on Tommy to side-step in the clinch.

You're attempting to make excuses for Fury as if the bigger man shouldn't be able to outmanoeuvre the smaller man in the clinch. Fury literally held and hit, hit round the back of the head and overall lacked any ability on the inside. Fury should be able to break KSI posture by manipulating the biceps and head; he's the bigger man.

KSI didn't box any worse than Fury, both men looked horrendous, which is as much Fury's fault as KSI. KSI landed overhands from the first round until the last and Fury answer was what? A wide hook that often landed high on the head or missed because KSI falls in behind the punch. Fury couldn't adjust his offense to counter an overhand something Juniors throw.

KSI was running around the ring. Jumping backwards is still running away from your opponent. Nobody is going to time jumps because real fighters don't clown around. Also Tommy was able to hit KSI with a 1-2 occasionally and then KSI would clinch. Overstepping was his only way to reach KSI.

"Fury has no footwork." Yes we know that. Not every fighter is light on their feet. A lot of top boxers are brawlers and punchers. That has more to do with the person's style and training rather than their ability.

Fury did out maneuver KSI in the clinch after a couple rounds. He was pushing KSI against the ropes and landed some clean shots. KSI got some slaps in but he didn't do anything.

KSI landed some short overhands with no power behind them that were further negated by Tommy slipping them somewhat. Granted that shows Tommy's terrible defense but it's something KSI was able to do because he was clowning around. You're proving my point about my Canelo vs Charlo comparison.

Your analysis was very poor and the one thing that I always criticize Tommy on and I think is the biggest issue in his limited ability is his lack of an uppercut. He has a decent uppercut and know how to throw it yet he rarely uses it. That alone would end these Youtuber clowns.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

KSI was running around the ring. Jumping backwards is still running away from your opponent. Nobody is going to time jumps because real fighters don't clown around. Also Tommy was able to hit KSI with a 1-2 occasionally and then KSI would clinch. Overstepping was his only way to reach KSI.

"Fury has no footwork." Yes we know that. Not every fighter is light on their feet. A lot of top boxers are brawlers and punchers. That has more to do with the person's style and training rather than their ability.

Fury did out maneuver KSI in the clinch after a couple rounds. He was pushing KSI against the ropes and landed some clean shots. KSI got some slaps in but he didn't do anything.

KSI landed some short overhands with no power behind them that were further negated by Tommy slipping them somewhat. Granted that shows Tommy's terrible defense but it's something KSI was able to do because he was clowning around. You're proving my point about my Canelo vs Charlo comparison.

Your analysis was very poor and the one thing that I always criticize Tommy on and I think is the biggest issue in his limited ability is his lack of an uppercut. He has a decent uppercut and know how to throw it yet he rarely uses it. That alone would end these Youtuber clowns.

So, boxers absolutely do time bounces it's something, which is very common to do. It's the reason why majority of boxers don't just bounce on there toes like KSI because it leaves them vulnerable. Furthermore, moving backwards isn't running, it's a common maneuver in boxing. Overstepping was the only way to reach KSI? No it's not. It's just Fury has bad fundaments and squares his shoulders up throwing straight shots causing his feet to trail behind his punches. So, effective way to close the gap on KSI would be move you're feet with the punch simultaneously and if ducks or jumps back, you're still in a position to punch. It's called layering you're attack not every punch is going to land but it should have a purpose, which wasn't the case for Fury. Fury expected every straight shot to land so instead of cutting the space effectively, he fell into and got tied up.

Outmanoeuvring someone in a clinch isn't just about pushing someone backwards especially when you have a massive size difference. It's about using you're forearm, head, and shoulders to break you're opponents shape thus creating space and nullifying the opponent's ability to punch. However, Fury allowed KSI to work with him in clinches.

Footwork isn't just about being light on your feet. It's about posting your feet to give you an advantage so sidestepping, using the lead foot to pressure and cut off you're opponent. KSI continually dropped to his right unable to punch or move, so why didn't Tommy step step around the dip create an angle? Because he's footwork is poor even KSI had better feet.

Do you know why KSI landed over hand's because his feet were quick and Tommy only defence for the flaring jab was to pullback with his lead hand in no position to protect the line. Tommy Fury's uppercut, which he throws from too far out got him caught with an overhand, that's why he didn't use it against KSI. Tommy doesn't have a decent uppercut nor does he know how to throw it, if KSI is able to counter it.

Tommy Fury who's been boxing since 6 was dumfounded by four moves - bounce, jab, overhand and clinch, that's it. Don't bring up Alvarez and Charlo as if that means anything.

[bullydean]

So, boxers absolutely do time bounces it's something, which is very common to do. It's the reason why majority of boxers don't just bounce on there toes like KSI because it leaves them vulnerable. Furthermore, moving backwards isn't running, it's a common maneuver in boxing. Overstepping was the only way to reach KSI? No it's not. It's just Fury has bad fundaments and squares his shoulders up throwing straight shots causing his feet to trail behind his punches. So, effective way to close the gap on KSI would be move you're feet with the punch simultaneously and if ducks or jumps back, you're still in a position to punch. It's called layering you're attack not every punch is going to land but it should have a purpose, which wasn't the case for Fury. Fury expected every straight shot to land so instead of cutting the space effectively, he fell into and got tied up.

Outmanoeuvring someone in a clinch isn't just about pushing someone backwards especially when you have a massive size difference. It's about using you're forearm, head, and shoulders to break you're opponents shape thus creating space and nullifying the opponent's ability to punch. However, Fury allowed KSI to work with him in clinches.

Footwork isn't just about being light on your feet. It's about posting your feet to give you an advantage so sidestepping, using the lead foot to pressure and cut off you're opponent. KSI continually dropped to his right unable to punch or move, so why didn't Tommy step step around the dip create an angle? Because he's footwork is poor even KSI had better feet.

Do you know why KSI landed over hand's because his feet were quick and Tommy only defence for the flaring jab was to pullback with his lead hand in no position to protect the line. Tommy Fury's uppercut, which he throws from too far out got him caught with an overhand, that's why he didn't use it against KSI. Tommy doesn't have a decent uppercut nor does he know how to throw it, if KSI is able to counter it.

Tommy Fury who's been boxing since 6 was dumfounded by four moves - bounce, jab, overhand and clinch, that's it. Don't bring up Alvarez and Charlo as if that means anything.

KSI wasn't moving around the ring strategically he was backing away to avoid engagement. He wasn't moving to pick a shot or outbox Tommy he was just running from him. You can't land a shot on a guy like that unless you walk him down which is why Tommy was able to land the jab and right hand occasionally. Like I said before. Had he used his uppercut he would have nullified the clinch. That's on Tommy and something simple he hasn't learned for some reason even though he has a decent uppercut.

KSI didn't work Tommy in the clinch. Slapping Tommy on his back and missing head shots isn't doing anything which is why they had no impact on the scorecards.

Footwork is about being light on your feet. The whole point of decent footwork is to move in and out and create angles quickly. There's a reason why only boxers tend to have decent footwork while brawlers and punchers are more stationary. Also I wouldn't say KSI has better footwork. Bouncing around, stopping, lunging in a straight line, and then clinching isn't footwork.

Tommy did create space but he ******ly forgot he could uppercut KSI.

KSI landed overhands because they were quick and short and they were only that way because they had no power behind them. KSI didn't time his hit with the uppercut. They just both tossed the punches at the same time. That's my point about Tommy not knowing when to use his uppercut. Tommy has used his uppercut before and it is effective, but he rarely throws it.

Yeah and Canelo was dumbfounded by a guard because most boxers, no matter their skill level, will have a tough time fighting a guy who's just there to survive instead of boxing to win. It's the same reason Canelo couldn't take out Chavez Jr. or GGG in the third fight.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

KSI wasn't moving around the ring strategically he was backing away to avoid engagement. He wasn't moving to pick a shot or outbox Tommy he was just running from him. You can't land a shot on a guy like that unless you walk him down which is why Tommy was able to land the jab and right hand occasionally. Like I said before. Had he used his uppercut he would have nullified the clinch. That's on Tommy and something simple he hasn't learned for some reason even though he has a decent uppercut.

KSI didn't work Tommy in the clinch. Slapping Tommy on his back and missing head shots isn't doing anything which is why they had no impact on the scorecards.

Footwork is about being light on your feet. The whole point of decent footwork is to move in and out and create angles quickly. There's a reason why only boxers tend to have decent footwork while brawlers and punchers are more stationary. Also I wouldn't say KSI has better footwork. Bouncing around, stopping, lunging in a straight line, and then clinching isn't footwork.

Tommy did create space but he ******ly forgot he could uppercut KSI.

KSI landed overhands because they were quick and short and they were only that way because they had no power behind them. KSI didn't time his hit with the uppercut. They just both tossed the punches at the same time. That's my point about Tommy not knowing when to use his uppercut. Tommy has used his uppercut before and it is effective, but he rarely throws it.

Yeah and Canelo was dumbfounded by a guard because most boxers, no matter their skill level, will have a tough time fighting a guy who's just there to survive instead of boxing to win. It's the same reason Canelo couldn't take out Chavez Jr. or GGG in the third fight.

You keep going on about an uppercut but Tommy threw an uppercut and got countered by overhand because he threw it from too far out. Furthermore, Fury couldn't land an uppercut in the clinch because he couldn't create separation.

Again great footwork isn't just about being light you're feet, that's a liniel way of thinking. KSI was light on his feet, so do you consider it great footwork? No, because Footwork is layered. Foot positioning is a key component of footwork.

Technically, KSI was using his footwork strategy if he was moving backwards, that's obviously the his plan avoid the bigger man. However, Fury didn't walk KSI down, he looked at home then jumped in with a punch, which missed because all ksi had to do is duck to the right. Maybe Fury could fient? Use angles? No he'll just jump in and wrestle. KSI was slapping and Fury was hitting behind the head.

I dunno what fight's you watch but Alvarez wasn't dumbfounded by GGG, Chavez, or Charlo. Alvarez created openings and took them something Fury couldn't do.

Serious question, you said KSI landed short and quick overhands because they had no power. Does that mean Fury did nothing wrong? Because normally for punch to land it's due to poor positioning, which Fury clearly was guilty of.

[bullydean]

You keep going on about an uppercut but Tommy threw an uppercut and got countered by overhand because he threw it from too far out. Furthermore, Fury couldn't land an uppercut in the clinch because he couldn't create separation.

Again great footwork isn't just about being light you're feet, that's a liniel way of thinking. KSI was light on his feet, so do you consider it great footwork? No, because Footwork is layered. Foot positioning is a key component of footwork.

Technically, KSI was using his footwork strategy if he was moving backwards, that's obviously the his plan avoid the bigger man. However, Fury didn't walk KSI down, he looked at home then jumped in with a punch, which missed because all ksi had to do is duck to the right. Maybe Fury could fient? Use angles? No he'll just jump in and wrestle. KSI was slapping and Fury was hitting behind the head.

I dunno what fight's you watch but Alvarez wasn't dumbfounded by GGG, Chavez, or Charlo. Alvarez created openings and took them something Fury couldn't do.

Serious question, you said KSI landed short and quick overhands because they had no power. Does that mean Fury did nothing wrong? Because normally for punch to land it's due to poor positioning, which Fury clearly was guilty of.

I mention the uppercut as a critique, not an argument.
While KSI ducks down for the clinch. BOOM UPPERCUT!
KSI holding with his body exposed. BOOM UPPERCUT!
Tommy didn't have the IQ or experience to use it when it's the punch that would seriously end these Youtubers. Tommy got hit because he made the mistake of throwing an uppercut without settings it up and KSI happened to throw his punch at the exact same time. It was a lack of IQ on both sides.

I said decent footwork is moving in and out while creating angles quickly. To do that you have to be light on your feet. Tommy is not a boxer, he's a puncher. His feet are usually planted on the ground allowing him to throw big punches when he has the chance. He can't side step or create angles because his feet are planted on the ground.
KSI was not light on his feet. Anyone can hop and move to avoid engaging. Once KSI lunged or threw a punch he stopped moving because he has no footwork. Whenever Tommy moved in with a 1-2 KSI did nothing but lunge forward. That's why guys like AJ and Wilder can move around the ring, but once they commit to a punch the footwork is gone because they aren't light on their feet.

Fury occasionally landed his right hand because KSI didn't have the footwork to avoid it. That's your first good critique. Terrible feints from Tommy. I don't think Tommy has the experience to properly use feints and he won't learn with his current opposition so he shouldn't have even attempted to even use it agaisnt KSI.
However, feints mean nothing in this fight. KSI's gameplan was to bend over, lunge, and hold. A decent feint wouldn't have changed anything when the gameplan was to hold as soon as he was cornered. That's my point that Tommy couldn't do anything when his opponent wasn't trying to win.

I agree that Fury could have done better in the clinch which is why I bring up the uppercut, but the reason I brought up KSI doing nothing but slapping Tommy in the back was in response to you claiming KSI was working Tommy in the clinch which is false. After the first 2 rounds Tommy adjusted and got some legitimate shots in on KSI during the clinches.

Canelo's gameplan against Smith and Charlo was to destroy their biceps because they couldn't find a away around their guard. Against GGG in the third fight and Chavez Jr Canelo smacked more gloves and forearms than he did the head and body. My point being even the best in the world are ineffective against people simply trying to survive.

No, I clearly said Tommy's terrible defense was the reason he was getting hit. The reason I point out KSI's inefficient punches is because they were quick sloppy punches thrown sloppily. It's like sparing someone and they throw a sloppy half assed punch out of nowhere just to throw a punch. The intent of the punch wasn't to counter, create distance, or hurt his opponent, it was just a awkward punch to tie Tommy up. That's why in the post fight conference Tommy says they were planning on a scrappy fight, not a literal clown. Even Tommy, without being asked about his performance, admits he was useless and awful because he thought KSI was actually going to put up a fight. That's why if neither one of them wants a rematch Tommy plans to move on to real fighters again (allegedly).