Comments Thread For: Wilder Trainer on Joshua: He's Cool If He Goes His Whole Career Without Fighting Deontay; Doesn't Campaign About the Fight Enough

[PRINCEKOOL]

Maybe. It just doesn't appear that way to me as i don't think Joshua's next fight will be a "big fight" but the only kind of fight I see Wilder taking would be a big one. It seems to me more like Joshua is actually trying to work his way back to actually having the confidence to fight a top guy.

At some point mate, he will have to fight in a big fight 'Next fight, the one fight do you understand? At some point if Joshua's intention is to fight is way back into title contention, he has to be in a big fight and win'.

Everyone in boxing knows Joshua's intentions, they may mock him for those intentions 'But at-least everyone knows what they are, he is clear on that'.

Nobody know's Wilder's intentions, he is just knocking about 'Basking in his glory of losing to Fury, but pushing in over a trilogy' etc.

[Willow The Wisp]

Objectively on performance no 'Joshua out of Fury, Wilder, and Usyk has fought the highest number of top level Heavyweights in his career'.

This is just a objective fact mate. You seem to have your own rating system which is subjective, and not really based on performance.

Just made up, denying the reality of the situation 'Again? This is what Hardcore Fury fans do on a weekly and daily basis, it is the only way they can actually be hardcore Fury fans'.

Once you stop doing this? You can still be a Fury fan, but not a crony, who just sways this way and that way 'Lies and betrays themselves in order to protect Fury's reputation or enhance his overall resume'.

Note: Anthony Joshua statistically whether you like it or not 'Has fought more top level Heavyweights than Fury & Wilder, they were ranked high when he fought them'. And those fighters achieved those high rankings through their current form at the time, and performances etc.

For me, it is counterintuitive to disparage any good, honest prizefighter. This is honest work. Most athletes are grown men playing children's games. Politicians are liars, businessman are thieves, academics are sissies...and all that. But a boxer fights the honest, fair fight.

Even so. I've got to cast some doubt on the whole statement that "Anthony Joshua statistically whether you like it or not 'Has fought more top level Heavyweights than Fury & Wilder, they were ranked high when he fought them'. And those fighters achieved those high rankings through their current form at the time, and performances etc."

Now, I'm not saying that it isn't true. Indeed, I think it is.
However.....the margin of Joshua's superior QOO against the other two "Three Kings" is razor thin, if it exists at all.
We've been through this before.
I mean....who are we talking about, just exactly?

Gary Cornish never panned out even at domestic level.

Dillian Whyte was green when he went life and death with Joshua, went on to a career equivalent to Joshua's, and landed at Fury's feet.

Charles Martin went from prospect to gatekeeper, and in between won and past on to Joshua a bogus title won from a guy barely top 20 in Glazkov.

Breazeale, Molina and Helenius were in agrigate, beaten far, far better by Wilder.

Klitschko, Pulev and Povetkin were good fighters from a bygone era. Joshua won the rest of his bogus title belts by beating ancient Wladamir Klitschko, who had long before been relieved of any title had ever possessed, by Tyson Fury.

Takam and Parker where good contenders, who were beaten by Joshua, and beaten by 8 other people too. Similar level to, say; Arreola, Stiverne and Duhaupas.

That leaves Ruiz Jr and Usyk, who were both able to defeat your guy.

That's it then, unless you feel Kingpin Johnson or Jermaine Franklin are going on to something big.

Good work, certainly yes!
I Just don't find anything here in his body of work that sets it apart from the work done by Wilder or Fury. Nothing subjective about that.

[tokon]

At some point mate, he will have to fight in a big fight 'Next fight, the one fight do you understand? At some point if Joshua's intention is to fight is way back into title contention, he has to be in a big fight and win'.

Everyone in boxing knows Joshua's intentions, they may mock him for those intentions 'But at-least everyone knows what they are, he is clear on that'.

Nobody know's Wilder's intentions, he is just knocking about 'Basking in his glory of losing to Fury, but pushing in over a trilogy' etc.

Joshua is a two time world champion. He shouldn't need "warm up" or "confidence building" fights but he's now had two, so when is he going to have the confidence for this "big fight". Doesn't seem like it's going to be next fight does it?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Joshua is a two time world champion. He shouldn't need "warm up" or "confidence building" fights but he's now had two, so when is he going to have the confidence for this "big fight". Doesn't seem like it's going to be next fight does it?

What is your issue? Look at what you are writing mate, then look at how boxing and career match making works.

Yes Anthony Joshua is a two time World Champion, but he lost two back to back fight vs Usyk 'And now Joshua is a contender'.

Why are you still acting as if Joshua is a Heavyweight World Champion? Complaining and moaning about who he is fighting?

Joshua can in all honesty, charted his path towards a world title again whatever which way he likes 'Think back to when George Foreman came out of retirement, did he suddenly jump back into big fights? Foreman had a very high number of building fights'.

At some point it is inevitable, Joshua will have to fight in a big fight in order to get back into title contention 'When that fight comes, will be down to his team. Also it will be influenced by how the Heavyweight landscape alters during this time period'.

You and I both know, you don't just throw fighters into big fights after loses. At no point in history or very rarely have fighters been guided throughout their career in this manner.'Very rarely in the modern era of boxing'.

Tokon you know what Anthony Joshua's intentions are, and you know that inevitability he will have to sign to fight in a big fight 'Then all of his critics will be saying things why is he fighting this guy or that guy he is terrified'.

Anthony Joshua is not conning the boxing world or the public, he is basically overachieved in his career 'He has reached elite level, fought the best fighters won some fights and then lost to Usyk. We know Joshua's level, we know what he is about as a fighter'.

If Anthony Joshua has made it clear that his intentions are to fight for a World title again, then if he keeps winning 'At some point big fights will have to happen. Everyone here and in the world of boxing knows this'.

Tell me what Deontay Wilder's intentions are? Do you know what they are, write down his intentions here? You don't know what they are, Wilder is from what I can see acting like Derek Chisora.

I rate Deontay Wilder but? Fury's last fight was against a semi-retired Derek Chisora 'Fury could not deck Chisora, and was unable to legitimately score a knock-out. The actual stoppage was manufactured'.

Wilder in comparison, yes he pushed Fury 'Wilder efforts were admirable, but he was also battered and ****** out. By a fighter in Fury who has never at any point in his career been regarded as a monster puncher'.

Anthony Joshua has never legitimately been knocked out, Joshua was stopped once with a smile on his face vs Ruiz Junior 'And he lost two back to back competitive fights vs Usyk over 12 rounds'.

Note: People need to ask themselves the genuine honest questions, have Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder battered each other that much 'That it has caused some sort of trauma, to the point were they want to get out of the game'.

Everyone is complaining about Joshua not taking on big fights 'When he is the last Heavyweight Champion, to take on big fights vs Usyk. Even though many advised him not to take the rematch, Joshua still went ahead and did so' etc.

[PRINCEKOOL]

For me, it is counterintuitive to disparage any good, honest prizefighter. This is honest work. Most athletes are grown men playing children's games. Politicians are liars, businessman are thieves, academics are sissies...and all that. But a boxer fights the honest, fair fight.

Even so. I've got to cast some doubt on the whole statement that "Anthony Joshua statistically whether you like it or not 'Has fought more top level Heavyweights than Fury & Wilder, they were ranked high when he fought them'. And those fighters achieved those high rankings through their current form at the time, and performances etc."

Now, I'm not saying that it isn't true. Indeed, I think it is.
However.....the margin of Joshua's superior QOO against the other two "Three Kings" is razor thin, if it exists at all.
We've been through this before.
I mean....who are we talking about, just exactly?

Gary Cornish never panned out even at domestic level.

Dillian Whyte was green when he went life and death with Joshua, went on to a career equivalent to Joshua's, and landed at Fury's feet.

Charles Martin went from prospect to gatekeeper, and in between won and past on to Joshua a bogus title won from a guy barely top 20 in Glazkov.

Breazeale, Molina and Helenius were in agrigate, beaten far, far better by Wilder.

Klitschko, Pulev and Povetkin were good fighters from a bygone era. Joshua won the rest of his bogus title belts by beating ancient Wladamir Klitschko, who had long before been relieved of any title had ever possessed, by Tyson Fury.

Takam and Parker where good contenders, who were beaten by Joshua, and beaten by 8 other people too. Similar level to, say; Arreola, Stiverne and Duhaupas.

That leaves Ruiz Jr and Usyk, who were both able to defeat your guy.

That's it then, unless you feel Kingpin Johnson or Jermaine Franklin are going on to something big.

Good work, certainly yes!
I Just don't find anything here in his body of work that sets it apart from the work done by Wilder or Fury. Nothing subjective about that.

Statistically Joshua has fought more Top level Heavyweights than Fury & Wilder 'That is what the rankings state, at the time of when he took those fights. Joshua resume has more depth than both Fury's and Wilder's resumes statistically'.

Joshua fought Wladimir Kiltschko 17 months after Tyson Fury 'Joshua fought the Kiltschko who really Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch'.

Both Fury and Joshua have fought in two super elite fights 'The only difference is? Fury won both of his super elite fights. Kiltschko & Wilder'.

Joshua won vs Kiltschko via knock out in the Greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years, and then lost two competitive fights back to back vs Usyk.

Wilder has a satisfactory resume, as a Champion I believe he has been a solid WBC Heavyweight Champion 'Defended his title 10 times, and fought until there was no more to win back his title vs Fury' But in comparison to Fury & Joshua, although Wilder's win vs Ortiz is underrated 'That win vs Ortiz was not a super elite level win, Ortiz was not a titan'.

Note: Joshua has the most depth in his resume at Heavyweight out of the top-4 Heavyweights, and he has one super elite level win vs Kiltschko. Fury I would say has the least depth in his resume, maybe even more so than Deontay Wilder 'Fury has the least number of title defenses also, but he has the two absolute best wins on his resume in terms of historical magnitude'.

That is why, although I may critique Fury 'I have made myself very clear, that objectively I rate Tyson Fury as the number 1 Heavyweight on merit. Because he has the two best wins on his resume in terms of historical magnanimity and he is undefeated'.

The only time when Fury came closest to losing this rating, while he was Champion was on the eve of Joshua vs Usyk II 'Joshua if he would of won that rematch, would of then achieved two super elite level wins at Heavyweight'.

Joshua would of had two super elite level wins, and a resume with more proven depth than Fury's 'There would of then actually been enough evidence there for anyone the make the case, that Joshua should of been rated the number 1 Heavyweight in the game'.

But this is all hypothetical theories 'Joshua did not won the rematch, and he is now a contender trying to fight his way back' etc.

[tokon]

What is your issue? Look at what you are writing mate, then look at how boxing and career match making works.

Yes Anthony Joshua is a two time World Champion, but he lost two back to back fight vs Usyk 'And now Joshua is a contender'.

Why are you still acting as if Joshua is a Heavyweight World Champion? Complaining and moaning about who he is fighting?

Joshua can in all honesty, charted his path towards a world title again whatever which way he likes 'Think back to when George Foreman came out of retirement, did he suddenly jump back into big fights? Foreman had a very high number of building fights'.

At some point it is inevitable, Joshua will have to fight in a big fight in order to get back into title contention 'When that fight comes, will be down to his team. Also it will be influenced by how the Heavyweight landscape alters during this time period'.

You and I both know, you don't just throw fighters into big fights after loses. At no point in history or very rarely have fighters been guided throughout their career in this manner.'Very rarely in the modern era of boxing'.

Tokon you know what Anthony Joshua's intentions are, and you know that inevitability he will have to sign to fight in a big fight 'Then all of his critics will be saying things why is he fighting this guy or that guy he is terrified'.

Anthony Joshua is not conning the boxing world or the public, he is basically overachieved in his career 'He has reached elite level, fought the best fighters won some fights and then lost to Usyk. We know Joshua's level, we know what he is about as a fighter'.

If Anthony Joshua has made it clear that his intentions are to fight for a World title again, then if he keeps winning 'At some point big fights will have to happen. Everyone here and in the world of boxing knows this'.

Tell me what Deontay Wilder's intentions are? Do you know what they are, write down his intentions here? You don't know what they are, Wilder is from what I can see acting like Derek Chisora.

I rate Deontay Wilder but? Fury's last fight was against a semi-retired Derek Chisora 'Fury could not deck Chisora, and was unable to legitimately score a knock-out. The actual stoppage was manufactured'.

Wilder in comparison, yes he pushed Fury 'Wilder efforts were admirable, but he was also battered and ****** out. By a fighter in Fury who has never at any point in his career been regarded as a monster puncher'.

Anthony Joshua has never legitimately been knocked out, Joshua was stopped once with a smile on his face vs Ruiz Junior 'And he lost two back to back competitive fights vs Usyk over 12 rounds'.

Note: People need to ask themselves the genuine honest questions, have Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder battered each other that much 'That it has caused some sort of trauma, to the point were they want to get out of the game'.

Everyone is complaining about Joshua not taking on big fights 'When he is the last Heavyweight Champion, to take on big fights vs Usyk. Even though many advised him not to take the rematch, Joshua still went ahead and did so' etc.

Hey PrinceKool! We see things differently, that's all. And it's ok. Thanks for your perspectives.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Hey PrinceKool! We see things differently, that's all. And it's ok. Thanks for your perspectives.

Well, you're welcome.