The Klitschko brothers Gain Weight during training camp...ODD

[Benny Leonard]

If I made a similar thread about a ***ish boxer, you (or squealpiggy) would accuse me of anti-Semitism. If I made a thread like this one about a black fighter, mt102879 would accuse me of racism...

But I wouldn't make a thread like this one.

Making accusations like that about boxing champions without any evidence is unethical.

Considering I'M NOT ***ISH it wouldn't bother me. I am not a Fan of Religion or the Politics of religion or people continually pushing something on another as if that is who they are. Stop labling people what they are not.

Bring up someone of any culture or religion or belief or whatever...and I'll see if I can discuss.


We are in an era where questions are brought up because everbody is suspect...like it or not. That comes with being a modern athlete. What should be done is having athletes agree to strict testing programs that may calm the public on such questions.

And you continue to miss the point that I continue to point out/ask. You see the Klitschko brothers and I see a bigger question at hand. A question that I'm asking people. That is the difference between my Mind and your mind.


Questions is what can lead to an answer...an answer that can lead everybody to feel more comfortable about the question at hand.

I do think Most (including me) want everybody to be clean...but the truth as we found out doesn't happen to be what you want but rather what is. And it is because of that I want to gauge the feeling of the fans after the question was brought up in that fight...a question that was asked to me in a conversation about boxing and that fight and comment in particular.

[Mr. Philadel]

Whatever the case is, Wladimir has fought nothing but title fights since 2006, never tested positive for anything illegal.

thats the TRUTH!!!......

[Benny Leonard]

thats the TRUTH!!!......

Remind me, did Shane Mosley test positive in boxing for PEDs when he fought Oscar?

[j]

first, is there ANYTHING OFFICIAL that says that they gain more than 5 or 10 or so pounds of weight during fight training?????

second, maybe, if they did weigh more, it is because muscle is supposed to weigh more than fat, which would be resonable since they work out harder during training and dont have to cut weight at all to make a certain weight limit.

third, they are not lying to the media when they state that they dont use illegal supplements to enhance their boxing performance. they are not ******, or unskilled, or uneducated people who will try to beat the system or have a need to. what possible need would they have? VK was out 4 years with an injury - does it sound like he was taking steroids to be out of action for FOUR years???

does it eally seem like they need to enhance what they are already capable of?

and someone mentioned training camp as lasting 4 weeks - No, they last about 6 generally. and also metabolism changes with the environment and situations. but i hadly even need to mention that based on my prior points.

some people are just trying to find a reason to cut down the most significant pair of brothers in boxing history.

there are still A LOT of haters!

[Phirsole]

On another board, on the east side of boxing, you know, the cook of Vitali posts with the name CHEF. Go there and search the boards for his entries.

He menitioned that Vitali and Wlad both start camp at about 230 lbs and finish it at about 250 lbs. 20 lbs of muscle within ten weeks is possibel, I think - I'm not an expert.

I'd be VERY disappointed if the Klitschkos get caught with steroids or other stuff during their active time. I know that Vitali used steroids to treat the multiple tissue damages (back, shoulder, knee) in the four years off time. And I don't know how long the effects last.

BUT - as already mentioned - they are fighting championship fights constantly, and thus are controlled several times a year. Till now, never been accused by a commitee of abuse, AFAIK.

[Spray_resistant]

I don't think it is really that odd that they gain weight in training camp. I have never seen either Wlad or Vitali over weight and when not in camp. If they are naturally lean they would lose some muscle mass when not training, so it makes some sense. I am not going to suspect anyone of anything underhanded until there is some evidence of something like that going on.

[PensionKiller]

Muscle weighs more than fat. If they do not train then I expect them to lose maybe 10 lbs. Sounds a lot but they are big guys. What figures do you have?

As heavyweights, you don't need to worry about makin g a weight so that is also something to think about. I mean Chris Byrd obviously bulked on weight and I think others do too. Most fighters gain pounds after the weigh in, in such a short time.

I myself find that when I go gym I am at my fittest and heaviest.

Wlad is extremely smart and I expect him to have done research into this. Most likely protein shakes etc at a guess if they do weight lifting.

Not every boxer has huge fat, and they are included. If a boxer bloats up on fat then ofcourse they will still be pretty heavy and that equals out with the big change in the body.

Everything is possible, but I don't think they take it. Gaining maybe 5-10% of your weight when training for 10 weeks+ isn't that su****ious.

[shogunn]

if you accuse Manny of being on roids, then youd also have to throw in the klitschkos in that mix

[The Hammer]

100% agree. Oh wait...

I recall you making such accusations towards Mosley right after the Margarito fight. In fact I have the post right here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=18

The difference is, there IS evidence that Mosley has used steroids.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6283138#post6283138

There is NO evidence that Pacquiao or the Klitschkos used steroids during their professional careers.

[Benny Leonard]

The difference is, there IS evidence that Mosley has used steroids.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6283138#post6283138

There is NO evidence that Pacquiao or the Klitschkos used steroids during their professional careers.

But Shane passed all his drug tests in Championship fights. How did he do it?

Shane, like many other athletes, are the reason why everybody is suspect in today's era of bad testing and even with very good testing...you have undetectable/high-class designer steroids/PEDs.

It's why I asked the question. I wanted to see where everybody's mindset is at, at this point in time with athletes when something is brought up involving performance and/or weight.