Only 3 people can beat Canelo

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • El_Maldito_Rey
    Undisputed Champion
    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
    • Jan 2021
    • 3947
    • 2,043
    • 571
    • 5,180

    #11
    Canelo/Benavidez is the only fight that needs to be mentioned.

    Bivol and Beterbiev need to grow a pair of balls and fight each other.

    Comment

    • Teetotaler69
      Banned
      Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
      • Mar 2023
      • 3847
      • 2,065
      • 1,164
      • 0

      #12
      Originally posted by Rockybigblower
      What about father time and God.
      And drug testing

      Comment

      • Shadoww702
        Banned
        Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
        • Sep 2015
        • 41176
        • 4,546
        • 2,938
        • 250,035

        #13
        Originally posted by Jsmooth9876
        I agree with the first 2 but DB likes to let his hands go and I think Canelo is at his best when he's catching guys with huge counter shots. I think DB walks right into something big and gets put down. Then, if he gets up, his punch output drops because he won't wanna make the same mistake again. Canelo by UD
        Yeah that was what I was thinking also. Benvidez gonna get caught with something he didn't even see coming back.

        Comment

        • vaborikua2014
          El Campeon de PuertoRico
          Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
          • May 2014
          • 2011
          • 174
          • 513
          • 22,854

          #14
          Originally posted by CasperUK
          Canelo is fading but he has good ring IQ and has excellent punch selection

          He has perfected his style and perfected his technique since the Callum Smith fight. However we did see glimpses of it in the Kovalev fight too;

          Low output
          Load up on power shots
          Select carefully between body and head
          Pressure
          Stay in pocket
          Stay low

          This works 90% against the lower A to B level fighters he has faced but against elite champions he would struggle.

          Beterbiev - violently gets KOd. That small pumped up body of Canelo wouldn't be able to take the power and that famous chin would be cracked. Avoid avoid avoid.

          Bivol - wide UD for Bivol all over again.

          Benavidez - closer put Benavidez takes it.

          Interested to see how PBC match Canelo.​
          So 2 175 pounders and Benavidez? There's weight classes for a reason we saw Charlo last night not do crap because of it. Benavides has a chance but I'd probably favor canelo by a little bit.

          Comment

          • Joseph
            The Torch
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • Sep 2022
            • 6237
            • 2,906
            • 516
            • 0

            #15
            I say this as a neutral party to Canelo: he destroys Benavidez. Bivol? Never. Beterbiev? Now, maaaaybe. A few years ago? Not a chance.

            Comment

            • TintaBoricua
              Waiting on MvC4...
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Oct 2007
              • 3455
              • 509
              • 176
              • 9,466

              #16
              Originally posted by Jsmooth9876
              I agree with the first 2 but DB likes to let his hands go and I think Canelo is at his best when he's catching guys with huge counter shots. I think DB walks right into something big and gets put down. Then, if he gets up, his punch output drops because he won't wanna make the same mistake again. Canelo by UD
              Exactly. I think a lot of people are overestimating Benavidez because he has these highlight reel clubbing combinations but I’m not sold on him personally.

              He’s got gaping holes in his defense and Canelo looks A LOT better when fighters are coming to him and they’re a plodder: think Alfredo Angulo or James Kirkland.

              Benavidez is a more dangerous fighter than those at the time but he still eats a lot of leather and has been put down before.

              What is Benavidez going to do? Outwork him? He’s going to pay a heavy toll in the process. Canelo is an A level counterpuncher and I think Benavidez either downshifts his activity in the later rounds or stubbornly presses forward en route to getting wobbled.

              All in on Canelo.

              And hell, Benavidez still has a tall order in Andrade come November.

              Comment

              • elfag
                Alpha fäggot
                Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                • Jan 2008
                • 15602
                • 3,485
                • 302
                • 65,929

                #17
                Originally posted by CasperUK

                Canelo isn't going to change his style now:

                Low output, loading up, stalking, walking people down.

                He isn't a slickster and he isn't powerful compared to the bigger guys - even though he is committing to loading up power shots only now.

                His boxing skills arent on display as they used to be because at the higher weights he has to rely on being powerful just to stay in the game.

                His power hasn't travelled up either - ie he isn't hitting harder than he was at 160lbs at maximum velocity despite his higher weight. Infact, he is probably hydrating to the same weights as he was before - 170lbs range - same as he did against Khan, GGG, Chavez Jr etc. He's just stronger due to the training but his punch isn't stronger.

                You're right though, if he traded with Beterbiev he is going to sleep.


                I noticed this too, while watching last night hoping he gets the stoppage only for him to never really get close. Jermell decided early on he only cared about making it 12, not winning the fight. Canelo only got a handful of big shots to the head the entire fight. Jermell was willing to give up his body to protect his head, he ate all those shots all night as have most of canelos opponents now, his power isnt all that big he just throws with it every punch.

                Thinking about how canelo could even stop jermell when he is always guarding his face, the only way that was happening is if you went back to the old canelo from 154, throwing combinations, setting up headshots with a jab and feignts or moving backwards, letting jermell come to him and looking for counters. And he just doesnt fight that way anymore and hes become pretty predictable.

                Comment

                • elfag
                  Alpha fäggot
                  Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 15602
                  • 3,485
                  • 302
                  • 65,929

                  #18
                  Originally posted by CasperUK
                  Canelo is fading but he has good ring IQ and has excellent punch selection

                  He has perfected his style and perfected his technique since the Callum Smith fight. However we did see glimpses of it in the Kovalev fight too;

                  Low output
                  Load up on power shots
                  Select carefully between body and head
                  Pressure
                  Stay in pocket
                  Stay low

                  This works 90% against the lower A to B level fighters he has faced but against elite champions he would struggle.

                  Beterbiev - violently gets KOd. That small pumped up body of Canelo wouldn't be able to take the power and that famous chin would be cracked. Avoid avoid avoid.

                  Bivol - wide UD for Bivol all over again.

                  Benavidez - closer put Benavidez takes it.

                  Interested to see how PBC match Canelo.​



                  Beterbiev will wreck him and that is why he hasnt even said his name. His walk down style is a terrible idea to walk to beterbiev, everyone gets obliterated if he does that. If he tries to counter and let beterbiev stalk him, he is rusty on that style its been forever and i still think beterbiev wrecks him, beterbiev is very accurate and can use ring movement when he has to, he has good timing and sense of distance.


                  maybe that is the same reason canelo has been avoiding benavidez, is that he hasnt fought in the counter punching style is so many years and that is what he needs to do against benavideaz. he needs to make that fight already, i am going to be irate if he fights jermall in may.

                  Comment

                  • MulaKO
                    Zero F@cks Given
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 26896
                    • 6,762
                    • 6,070
                    • 221,421

                    #19
                    Originally posted by Silence
                    Canelo murders Bumavidez. Slow feet, huge body to work, slow hands, average defense etc.. Also, his arsenal is full of hooks which Canelo likes. Canelo doesn't like straight punches.

                    I like Canelo's chance against Beterbiev as well. If he boxes safely, he wins. He shouldn't trade with Beterbiev.

                    Bivol is the only stylistic issue for him between 154 and 175.

                    I think Canelo beats everyone between 154 and 175 when he is well-trained, motivated and non-injured.
                    Sorry , didn’t quite get what you were saying , you know with Canelo’s digh in your mouth and all
                    King Artur would break him in two and you could put him back together like mr potato head
                    Bet you said the same thing about Bivol
                    How did that work for you ?

                    Comment

                    • Mr Giggles
                      Banned
                      Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                      • Oct 2018
                      • 2915
                      • 1,037
                      • 33
                      • 89,138

                      #20
                      We already know one who can, Bivol

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP