Zhang would TORTURE Wilder

[famicommander]

lol those glass jaws are not the same size as Zhang. have you seen Zhang's head? it's bigger than Joyce's


the only super heavyweight Wilder fought, bashed his skull in

Fury is hard to hit. He has upper body movement and speed. Zhang is a stationary target.

[hugh grant]

lol those glass jaws are not the same size as Zhang. have you seen Zhang's head? it's bigger than Joyce's


the only super heavyweight Wilder fought, bashed his skull in

Lol True, I doubt wilder cracks Zhang, desperate dan sized chin. But if wilder wants to be challenged on that belief he can't ko super heavyweights, be my guest deontay.

[Willow The Wisp]

Fury did not put a stop to the Kiltschko era completely 'Winning one fight over the distance, and then not re-matching a Champion of all most 10 years. Is not how you stop a Heavyweight reign'.

What defenses did Tyson Fury make of those titles he won back in 2015? None, unfortunately 'But that win is a great win in terms of historical magnitude for Tyson Fury'.

Wladimir Kiltschko did not retire after fighting Tyson Fury, and he initiated a rematch 'Fury kept on pulling out of the scheduled rematch unfortunately, and 17 months later Kiltschko after enduring 3 back to back training camps fought Joshua 'It was Anthony Joshua who then beat up and knocked out Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

This was when officially Heavyweight Boxing enter into a new era 'Of course it was Tyson Fury who's win vs Kiltschko was the catalytic win, but it was then Joshua who unequivocally ordained a new era in Heavyweight boxing'.

When Prince Naseem Hamed lost to Antonio Barrera, I would estimate that he as a bigger more proven all-time great fighter than Tyson Fury is now 'Pretty much on every single statistic Prince Naseem Hamed was greater fighter than Tyson Fury'.

Prince Naseem Hamed when he invaded america, was a bigger fighter than Tyson Fury 'Prince Naseem Hamed's fights were bigger in terms of events, and skill for skill as a fighter he was miles more influential'.

Oleksandr Usyk during the build up to his last fight vs Dubois, in interview stated 'That he was inspired by Prince Naseem Hamed as a amateur boxer, and would attempt to learn and practice his boxing moves away from his coach. And many of his boxing team mates were also inspired to this level by Prince Naseem Hamed'.

Very few amateur fighters across the entire World in boxing gyms 'Amateurs boxers are not watching Tyson Fury and trying to duplicate his boxing style. Fury is has not been that type of fighter, has not had that type of impact. Fury is not Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Junior or Muhammad Ali he is not statistically or in terms of influence on their level.

But in the minds of Hardcore Fury fans, they genuinely believe that he is.

Note: The reason why, I am bringing Prince Naseem Hamed up is because? Greater unbeaten fighters than Tyson Fury have lost fights, and people have switched up on them real quick.

If you have watched boxing for many years, you will understand objectively that fighters must be fighting at a level 'Especially Champions'. So hardcore Fury fans can continue to back Fury's recent moves as a Champion, and constantly regurgitate achievements he produced 7-8 years ago.

I just believe that potentially he is playing a very dangerous game with his nearest competition 'Because as I have said, greater fighters than Fury who were fighting at a level have lost fights right when everyone thought they were at their peak of influence'.

If Fury was training under Peter Fury, when it comes to pure fighting 'I don't think Peter Fury would agree with Fury's recent moves in the game'. When we are talking about real fighting against professional boxers, Fury is not a experience fighter at World or Elite level compared to his nearest competition'.

Those comments are also not a disrespect to Sugar Hill Steward 'Steward is just there to train Fury for whatever challenge he wants to take on, whether that be actually fighting top level Heavyweight boxers or Joe Bloggs'.

Zhang vs Fury 'Is a bigger event and business fight than Fury vs Usyk'. Fury has been backed into a corner now, he ether fights Usyk next or Zhang because those are his nearest competition' etc.

Thank you for your thoughts, and I agree with much of this. If Fury were to retire, I am certainly that he would be remembered as the premier Heavyweight of this era, but remembered also as a somewhat lazy captain who did not entirely complete his mission. It's not too late, but it's getting late. Two fights vs. Usyk and Joshua, both winnable IMO though no slam dunks, and he can be on his way. Should he wish to fight exhibitions and such, he needed hold the Linial title or the WBC strap hostage in order to do that. If it were me (it isn't), I would not let the opportunity to fight Zhilei Zhang is China slip by me.

[HeadShots]

Fury is hard to hit. He has upper body movement and speed. Zhang is a stationary target.

Fury gets hit plenty. he has been dropped 3 times including by a Cruiser before Deontay.

Zhang only dropped once.


last fight, Joyce landed 6 shots in 3 rounds.




the point is Zhang most likely takes Deontay's right hand. Would Deontay take a Zhang left hand or right at 220 lbs.

i doubt it.

[hugh grant]

Zhang don't need wilder, he'd be favourite against wilder. Wilder wanting to be known as hardest hitter of all time he needs a tough chinned monster on his resume like zhang. Ron lyle decked foreman, Ron Lyle probably hits as hard as wilder.
Wilder really needs zhang

[pollywog]

I don't believe Wilder has any punch resistance anymore. In the same way that Zhang showed Joyce was gone, Fury showed Wilders is gone too.

Wilder was backed up and looking scared and scarred before he pawed at Helenius face causing Big Bob to take the best and most well acted first round dive in recent history.

First touch of Chinese power and that look Joyce gave in this last fight is the one Wilder will give too. The one AJ knows only too well also.

[Dr. Z]

Dr. Z....what has happened to you posting quality?

Nothing, it is still there.

What did I write that is off below?

Wilder is a glass jawed, pin legged fraud. He has not won a fight over a contender in years. He beat set up guys that are " paid " to lose " and 40 or older. Prove me wrong.

[JakeTheBoxer]

I don't believe Wilder has any punch resistance anymore. In the same way that Zhang showed Joyce was gone, Fury showed Wilders is gone too.

Wilder was backed up and looking scared and scarred before he pawed at Helenius face causing Big Bob to take the best and most well acted first round dive in recent history.

First touch of Chinese power and that look Joyce gave in this last fight is the one Wilder will give too. The one AJ knows only too well also.

I agree with you. People overlook the fact that 3 Fury fights took a lot from Wilder.

First touch of Zhang`s big shots and Wilder will be scared again.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder is a glass jawed, pin legged fraud. He has not won a fight over a contender in years. He beat set up guys that are " paid " to lose " and 40 or older. Prove me wrong.

I've no license to spoil anyone's fun. But...
All this flippant, girly and unwarranted criticism of Lion Hearted Champion Wilder. It's reflected poorly on the fans who do it, not on him.

All athletes are human beings and imperfect, and therein lies the inevitable opportunity to weave a pejorative fable. Which some here have seen fit to do.

Nobody fast-tracked this man to the title. He did the slow train. The cans and the sleepers and the fellow prostects in the tank towns all the way to the title. The old fashioned way.

43-2-1 with 42 Knockouts.
The Highest KO rate of any multi-title defense champion or title claimant ever.

10 successful title defenses.

16 fights against "world class" opponents (depending, I'll concede, upon you definition).

Spoiled 8 undefeated records.

Knocked out or scored MULTIPLE knockdowns over every man he ever fought.
Who else did that?

Best American heavyweight since prime Mike Tyson 34 years ago.

2nd best heavyweight of his era, 3x fought the 1st best, scored 4 knockdowns and a plausible knockout over him.

Olympic medalist with only 30 fights behind him.

3rd tallest heavyweight title holder in history.

One of the half dozen hardest punchers who ever lived.

Always shows up in perfect shape and ready to honor his profession.

Always gives 100%.

Never say die attitude even when things seem hopeless (stark contrast to some of his best celebrated contemporaries).

Always gets his man. Even Fury got got repeatedly and had to crawl off the floor again and again, just barely beating the count.

As many successful title defenses achieved as Anthony Joshua, Rid**** Bowe, John Tate, Gerrie Coetzee, Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, Tim Witherspoon, Trevor Berbick, Bonecusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Buster Douglas, Frank Bruno, Charles Martin and Andy Ruiz Jr. COMBINED.


He never got the overhyped push coming up, never quit, never avoided anyone (dispite the BS storiesthat fans put on everyone), never benefited from a bad decision, always fought whoever the WBC directed him to fight, never lost to a big underdog, not a habitually dirty fighter, never was caught juicing, isn't a lawbreaker, isn't smug and sure as hell isn't boring (!!!)....

But......I don't know...
He's African-American and proud.
Is that the issue???

I gotta ask.

[mromano]

You guys are over hyping Zhang by a billion miles. Slow hands and slow feet with minimal head movement would be a disaster for him vs Wilder. Wilder is no world beater by any stretch of the imagination, but Zhang beat a guy that was over rated as you can possibly be. Zhang gets starched by Rd3