Comments Thread For: Warren on Zhang-Joyce Rematch: Loser Could Take Two Years to Get Back Into Title Contention

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

British promoter Frank Warren warns that the loser of Saturday's heavyweight contest between Joe Joyce and Zhilei Zhang will see their championship aspirations stymied for at least a couple of years.
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[James Hunt]

BS.
Much greater chance Fraudy fights the loser of this fight than Usyk

[Plick647]

Gee, the winners likely gonna have to wait a while too, with this logjam involving all the belts.

[Toffee]

He's so adamant that the IBF and WBO titles 'have to be defended'.

Shame the same doesn't apply to the WBC isn't it?

[Elpatron2]

I mean FH beat ZZ who beat JJ

[Boro]

He's so adamant that the IBF and WBO titles 'have to be defended'.

Shame the same doesn't apply to the WBC isn't it?

The WBC had a mandotory 17 months ago, the last IBF mando was just shy of 3 years ago and the WBO was Usyk 2 years ago so techincally they should be defended sooner then Fury should defend his belt.

Let's not forget Wilder fought 2 Mandos in 5 years as well so it's not like the WBC don't have history of this shít Fury isn't getting special treatment.

[PRINCEKOOL]

The WBC had a mandotory 17 months ago, the last IBF mando was just shy of 3 years ago and the WBO was Usyk 2 years ago so techincally they should be defended sooner then Fury should defend his belt.

Let's not forget Wilder fought 2 Mandos in 5 years as well so it's not like the WBC don't have history of this shít Fury isn't getting special treatment.

That does not make, a Champion is exempt in fighting professional boxers or Top-10 fighters.

Tyson Fury is being held to a low standard. He was held to a low standard before he was Champion, and now that has continued into his reign.

His hardcore fans may make excuses, but this game is real 'Fury should be fighting at a level. If he was training under Peter Fury, I suspect Peter Fury would disagree with how Fury is behaving as a Champion. Because potentially when and if he ever fights at Elite level again, his preparation and experience is definitively going to be lacking.

Note: Fury is a not a experience fighter at World or Elite level, nowhere near as experienced as Joshua or Usyk overall in boxing etc.

[landotter]

How I wish fighters did not care about these belts. Every division would be so much better than with these parasite organizations.

But they do. Usyk wants undisputed. Joyce/Zhang will deserve the shot they earned. Hrgov, Wilder, and Joshua are all top rated in some organization. It is crazy.

What will help the loser of this match-up is that both of these men have shown they are willing to fight top contenders. let us not forget Joyce could have taken a light touch and took a dangerous southpaw instead. Throw in the fights with an undefeated DuBois and a highly respected Parker, you have a pretty good track record for a man not willing to sit around hoping for a shot. Zhang's past year has been with top contenders Hrgov and now back to back against Joyce. I actually see both these men as far more legit than some of the bigger names out there.


Still wish they did not care....

[PRINCEKOOL]

How I wish fighters did not care about these belts. Every division would be so much better than with these parasite organizations.

But they do. Usyk wants undisputed. Joyce/Zhang will deserve the shot they earned. Hrgov, Wilder, and Joshua are all top rated in some organization. It is crazy.

What will help the loser of this match-up is that both of these men have shown they are willing to fight top contenders. let us not forget Joyce could have taken a light touch and took a dangerous southpaw instead. Throw in the fights with an undefeated DuBois and a highly respected Parker, you have a pretty good track record for a man not willing to sit around hoping for a shot. Zhang's past year has been with top contenders Hrgov and now back to back against Joyce. I actually see both these men as far more legit than some of the bigger names out there.


Still wish they did not care....

Joyce vs Zhang I & II were high level fights. Losing this fights, especially if they are competitive 'This should not really derail their careers to the extent that Warren in claiming'.

I think on the sly Warren just does not want Tyson Fury to fight anybody, ANYONE who poses any sort of a stylistic threat to him 'Joyce stylistically is a threat and so his Zhang'. I would say that Joyce pre-Zhang I was a tougher fight for Fury than Zhang stylistically.

This notion that it would take the losing fighter 2 years to get back into contention is ridiculous 'If this match up was a domestic to European level fight, maybe that would be correct. But it is not a domestic level fight, this match up is the highest level match up in Heavyweight boxing that has happened since Fury vs Wilder III & Joshua vs Usyk II'.

Joshua lost to Usyk twice back to back and then was offered a title fight, why was that? Because Team Fury were trying to take advantage of Joshua's then perceived vulnerability.

Note: The fighters just have to fight, opportunities may then arise etc.

[juggernaut666]

Joyce vs Zhang I & II were high level fights. Losing this fights, especially if they are competitive 'This should not really derail their careers to the extent that Warren in claiming'.

I think on the sly Warren just does not want Tyson Fury to fight anybody, ANYONE who poses any sort of a stylistic threat to him 'Joyce stylistically is a threat and so his Zhang'. I would say that Joyce pre-Zhang I was a tougher fight for Fury than Zhang stylistically.

This notion that it would take the losing fighter 2 years to get back into contention is ridiculous 'If this match up was a domestic to European level fight, maybe that would be correct. But it is not a domestic level fight, this match up is the highest level match up in Heavyweight boxing that has happened since Fury vs Wilder III & Joshua vs Usyk II'.

Joshua lost to Usyk twice back to back and then was offered a title fight, why was that? Because Team Fury were trying to take advantage of Joshua's then perceived vulnerability.

Note: The fighters just have to fight, opportunities may then arise etc.

Warren has lost a lot of credibility with Fury making guarantees that Fury bottles constantly. Warren has had to go through his very last shrewd of boxing knowledge to save face in public eye for himself and Fury in redirecting blame when everyone knows it’s them but does it just enough it sounds plausible to Fury fanatics and casual fans . Fury is a nightmare to manage his only thing he’s got is he’s a natural liar and showman which the current era of dumbed down fans will eat up so he’s lucked out in that aspect .

Warren in no way shape or form was telling him to fight guys like Chisora in fact he was saying Matchroom was a disgrace for letting Chisora carry on and he should retire before any talks of a Fury fight so that’s what we’re dealing with here behind the scenes . That’s how bad it is .


Warren wants the fights for sure but at the end of the day he’s afraid of Fury and will tell everyone he can’t make a fighter fight if he don’t want to he even said Fury wanted more money out of the Saudis that’s why he terminated the Usyk fight but then made excuses of the venue wasn’t going to be ready in time afterwards etc etc…..the best thing for boxing is Ngannou chinning Fury it would be the end of the road and we won’t have to worry about Jon Jones talks , movies etc. That’s unfortunately unlikely but overatted Fury isn’t unbeatable and as you said he’s not used to high level fights consistently maybe he gets caught by just big aggression puncher ?