Did Canelo make a technical change to become a power puncher late in his career?

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  • AKAcronym
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    #21
    Originally posted by Tanakasensei

    I don't know where you get the notion that Winning is less common in competition. Canelo and Floyd wore Winning against each other.
    They wore Grant against each other. Canelo's only wore winning against Golovkin in the first fight, as far as I can recall.
    Last edited by AKAcronym; 09-19-2023, 08:24 PM.

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    • PRINCEKOOL
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      #22
      Originally posted by Tanakasensei

      But do you think the padding on Winning is at a similar level to Everlast? Which do you feel gave you more cracking shots?

      Wilder used Everlast a lot. Probably because of the cushion to his hands
      John Ryder has had his face smashed many times before, do you think that was the first time his nose was broken? Did Alvarez stop Ryder? No.

      Alvarez is a solid good puncher with variation, but he is not a all-time great power puncher.

      Golovkin is way more of a proven power puncher than Alvarez.

      Ryder was picked as a stylistically easy match up for Alvarez, somebody that was tough and game but? Was there to be beaten up and stopped 'Alvarez never stopped Ryder still' etc.

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      • Roadblock
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        #23
        Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

        There's definitely some gloves that are better for power better because they use horse hair instead of or in addition to foam, which compress and transfer more energy. They're also less protective of your hands, so it's a trade-off. Reyes are the prime example. Winning gloves are the opposite generally. I really like the Winning gloves for sparring and bag work because they really take the impact out of your joints nicely. Treating your joints well makes for a longer career IMO, and a better life after you retire.
        So many variables to a guy getting knocked out, a hard puncher is a hard puncher no matter what gloves he wears I think the glove is of little consequence, they mainly choose gloves on fit and feel more than anything else, some gloves protect the hands better, punchers gloves is one of the cliques that media like to put out there, if there was a clear advantage to any particular glove everyone would use the same glove, its no difference than shoes its how they feel to wear them.

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          #24
          Tainted tacos.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Tanakasensei

            I don't know where you get the notion that Winning is less common in competition. Canelo and Floyd wore Winning against each other.
            Because they ARE less common in competition. That's literally documented fact from commission data. Yes, they appear in some fights, even major ones. But you would have to do your due diligence to know that. Where do you get off questioning facts, especially when you don't even get anything straight? Floyd and Canelo wore Grant, not Winning. Winning is really obvious because it says WINNING on the back. You've made it abundantly clear that you don't know what you're talking about, and apparently you aren't interested in learning either.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Roadblock

              So many variables to a guy getting knocked out, a hard puncher is a hard puncher no matter what gloves he wears I think the glove is of little consequence, they mainly choose gloves on fit and feel more than anything else, some gloves protect the hands better, punchers gloves is one of the cliques that media like to put out there, if there was a clear advantage to any particular glove everyone would use the same glove, its no difference than shoes its how they feel to wear them.
              It's a trade-off. Horsehair gloves don't absorb as much impact for both puncher and punchee. But they also don't protect the hands and joints as well. Hybrid gloves strike a balance. Some gloves have more padding on the backs to protect the wearer more when they're being used defensively. Others have different curvature that distributes impact differently. I've used dozens of brands over the years personally and have gotten feedback from many fighters as well. There's a very clear difference between different types of gloves that you can feel pretty easily.

              The gloves are absolutely different, and serve different purposes. You're right that no one glove does everything better. The reason everyone wears different stuff comes down to negotiations and preferences. Some people have more delicate hands and need more protection. Others want horsehair gloves. You look at the trends and many guys known for being "punchers" opt for Reyes, Everlast, etc. Canelo had to wear Grants vs Mayweather because of contract stipulations, just like there was a rehydration clause for that fight. Grants are a step below Winning for protection. Tank Davis likes to use Canelo's No Boxing No Life gloves in training but Floyd barred Davis from using them for fights because he felt Canelo was "rooting against him." Some guys will compensate for Winning gloves being more protective by stacking gauze.

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                #27
                Canelo always had power and he was able to bring it all the way up to 175.

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                • satiev1
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                  #28
                  Yes after the ggg fight and he started roiding up

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                  • Tanakasensei
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

                    Because they ARE less common in competition. That's literally documented fact from commission data. Yes, they appear in some fights, even major ones. But you would have to do your due diligence to know that. Where do you get off questioning facts, especially when you don't even get anything straight? Floyd and Canelo wore Grant, not Winning. Winning is really obvious because it says WINNING on the back. You've made it abundantly clear that you don't know what you're talking about, and apparently you aren't interested in learning either.
                    You never answered the question. I asked how the padding compares to Everlast and you say it's different. This isn't rocket science. Is it a punchers glove, a hybrid, or for protection. I've heard different opinions on Winning so it's confusing. Some think it's very cushioned, others don't

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Tanakasensei

                      You never answered the question. I asked how the padding compares to Everlast and you say it's different. This isn't rocket science. Is it a punchers glove, a hybrid, or for protection. I've heard different opinions on Winning so it's confusing. Some think it's very cushioned, others don't
                      Winning is THE top tier when it comes to protection. They get called pillows often. If you've heard people think they're not cushioned, they probably got fake knockoffs, not the real deal. I have never even heard of someone using Winning who didn't think they were very cushioned.

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