Did Canelo make a technical change to become a power puncher late in his career?

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  • Tanakasensei
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    #11
    Originally posted by takenotes
    Weaker opposition and plenty of HGH
    Bivol said Canelo hit very hard and that he was in pain afterwards and can't lift up his arms
    So something must have changed.
    Last edited by Tanakasensei; 09-19-2023, 06:01 PM.

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    • PRINCEKOOL
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      #12
      At no point of Alvarez's career has he ever been a power puncher 'This narrative is made up by his hardcore fans, and mostly the media'.

      Alvarez is a solid puncher, with a multitude of punches 'His offense has variation and skill'.

      Alvarez is not a all-time great power puncher, he simply does not have the feats of achievement to prove this.

      Pacquiao pound for pound, is a way more destructive and powerful puncher than Alvarez 'You only have to look at how common opponents performed vs Pacquiao and Alvarez'. Pacquiao at 147 pounds was also not a middle weight, weight draining himself to fight at 147 pounds.

      Khan, a Kovalev at short notice, Smith, Saunders, Plant 'So these are the fighters which Alvarez at Middle Weight to Light Heavyweight has knocked out or stopped'.

      Carl Froch stops all of these opponents, possible in even more brutal fashion than Alvarez 'Many past great Middle to Super Middle Weights would also knock out these opponents of Alvarez's.

      I am honestly not sure why people try to claim that Alvarez is a power puncher? A power puncher is somebody like Tommy Hearns, Julian Jackson, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem Hamed, Deontay Wilder, Mike Tyson, Tommy Morrison, Donovan Razor Ruddock, David Tua, David Haye, George Foreman, Ernie Shavers, Gennady Golovkin 'Was also more of a power puncher than Alvarez at his peak and for the majority of his career'.

      Are people trying to tell me that Canelo Alvarez pound for pound in terms of punching power is that level of puncher? There is no evidence, Alvarez has not performed the feats of achievement inside the boxing ring to be bestowed with this type of reputation.

      Note: Alvarez has a effective and great offense all around 'His variation and range is elite'. But in terms of raw power and force, Alvarez has not been a power puncher at any stage of his career etc.


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        #13
        Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
        At no point of Alvarez's career has he ever been a power puncher 'This narrative is made up by his hardcore fans, and mostly the media'.

        Alvarez is a solid puncher, with a multitude of punches 'His offense has variation and skill'.

        Alvarez is not a all-time great power puncher, he simply does not have the feats of achievement to prove this.

        Pacquiao pound for pound, is a way more destructive and powerful puncher than Alvarez 'You only have to look at how common opponents performed vs Pacquiao and Alvarez'. Pacquiao at 147 pounds was also not a middle weight, weight draining himself to fight at 147 pounds.

        Khan, a Kovalev at short notice, Smith, Saunders, Plant 'So these are the fighters which Alvarez at Middle Weight to Light Heavyweight has knocked out or stopped'.

        Carl Froch stops all of these opponents, possible in even more brutal fashion than Alvarez 'Many past great Middle to Super Middle Weights would also knock out these opponents of Alvarez's.

        I am honestly not sure why people try to claim that Alvarez is a power puncher? A power puncher is somebody like Tommy Hearns, Julian Jackson, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem Hamed, Deontay Wilder, Mike Tyson, Tommy Morrison, Donovan Razor Ruddock, David Tua, David Haye, George Foreman, Ernie Shavers, Gennady Golovkin 'Was also more of a power puncher than Alvarez at his peak and for the majority of his career'.

        Are people trying to tell me that Canelo Alvarez pound for pound in terms of punching power is that level of puncher? There is no evidence, Alvarez has not performed the feats of achievement inside the boxing ring to be bestowed with this type of reputation.

        Note: Alvarez has a effective and great offense all around 'His variation and range is elite'. But in terms of raw power and force, Alvarez has not been a power puncher at any stage of his career etc.


        "Canelo Alvarez hit me so hard with an uppercut he broke my nose and I could feel blood in my throat"

        https://www.google.se/amp/s/talkspor...ohn-ryder/amp/

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        • Tanakasensei
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          #14
          Slow-motion footage shows the moment Canelo Alvarez busted Billy Joe Saunders’ eye socket

          Evidence enough?


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            #15
            Originally posted by Tanakasensei

            Are winning gloves padding level similar to Everlast?

            Are they worth the price?
            Depends on where you are in your career and what you want from them. Winning is generally acknowledged to be the top tier for training gloves, especially by older fighters. I've personally had Reyes, Everlast, Rival, Fairtex, Top King, Revgear, Hayabusa etc in the past. Revgear gloves were terrible. They didn't usually last even a year. The others have their places depending on what you want. These days I use custom gear and Winning, mostly. I will say that if you want your gloves to improve your power that I personally think it's better improving power from improving technique and efficiency, and if you're going to use puncher's gloves, there's a different way to make a fist that will better protect your hands than the way that many places teach. If you want to try out the Japanese style, Ring To Cage makes a knockoff at a much lower price point that will at least give you a good idea about whether or not that style is for you. You'll likely feel the difference in where it places the impact immediately. Some people prefer to feel the jolt ride up into their elbows and shoulders. Makes them feel like they're punching harder.
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              #16
              Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

              Depends on where you are in your career and what you want from them. Winning is generally acknowledged to be the top tier for training gloves, especially by older fighters. I've personally had Reyes, Everlast, Rival, Fairtex, Top King, Revgear, Hayabusa etc in the past. Revgear gloves were terrible. They didn't usually last even a year. The others have their places depending on what you want. These days I use custom gear and Winning, mostly. I will say that if you want your gloves to improve your power that I personally think it's better improving power from improving technique and efficiency, and if you're going to use puncher's gloves, there's a different way to make a fist that will better protect your hands than the way that many places teach. If you want to try out the Japanese style, Ring To Cage makes a knockoff at a much lower price point that will at least give you a good idea about whether or not that style is for you. You'll likely feel the difference in where it places the impact immediately. Some people prefer to feel the jolt ride up into their elbows and shoulders. Makes them feel like they're punching harder.
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              But do you think the padding on Winning is at a similar level to Everlast? Which do you feel gave you more cracking shots?

              Wilder used Everlast a lot. Probably because of the cushion to his hands

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                #17
                They're different. You're trying to compare apples to oranges. Design matters. As I said, try them out, and you'll feel the difference in the impact. Everlast is more of a hybrid glove. Winning gloves are THE top of the line if you're concerned about protecting your hands and joints. But they're also correspondingly worse for impact. That's why they're less common in the ring, but more common in training.

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                • Tanakasensei
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07
                  Everlast is more of a hybrid glove. .
                  That's why I love them.

                  Winning Gloves are very expensive. I can't try em out. It's a big purchase for me, or a gift that I can wish.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Tanakasensei

                    That's why I love them.

                    Winning Gloves are very expensive. I can't try em out. It's a big purchase for me, or a gift that I can wish.
                    Hence why I suggested you try out the Ring To Cage Japanese gloves if you want to get a feel for how that style feels. Much less expensive, but the design is close enough to give you an idea if Winning is for you.

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                    • Tanakasensei
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

                      Hence why I suggested you try out the Ring To Cage Japanese gloves if you want to get a feel for how that style feels. Much less expensive, but the design is close enough to give you an idea if Winning is for you.
                      I don't know where you get the notion that Winning is less common in competition. Canelo and Floyd wore Winning against each other.

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