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  • #51
    Originally posted by baroidi View Post
    Uysk has a glass body, any heavy hitting HW that cracks him to the body has a big chance. I keep saying, Usyk's run in HW has been very shaky, only his performance against mentally damaged Joshua has been solid. For some reason some here think he's some ATG HW, has Joshua fanbois jumped onto the Usyk train?
    I think you must've hit the nail on the head.

    We can ALL get on board with concepts like Joshua was Excellent....But NOT the Great we once thought he was becoming.
    But the aura of greatness that he once owned was briefly transferred to Andy Ruiz, and is now being re-gifted to Usyk.

    But inside the ring, where it all gets sorted out....

    Usyk has fought exaxtly ONE prime, ranked heavyweight not named Joshua, and the results were NOT inspiring.
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    • #52
      Luis Ortiz was a 40 year-old, technically-skilled southpaw with good power, but he couldn't get past Wilder. Forty year-old Zhang is bigger than Ortiz, and also a lefty with perhaps a bit more power, but less skill. Odds are that he won't get any further than Ortiz did.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Zelda View Post
        Zhang gets beaten by Wilder, Joshua, Fury, Usyk, Whyte, Parker, Ruiz, Ortiz, Dubois, Hrgovic, and possibly even Makhmodov. With the first 5 almost everytime and the later ones most of the time.
        I dunno about Wilder and Ruiz beating him. And no way on Ortiz. I doubt Dubios and Parker too. Fury? forgetaboutit . Fury he would never risk a fight vs. Zhang.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by SUBZER0ED View Post
          Luis Ortiz was a 40 year-old, technically-skilled southpaw with good power, but he couldn't get past Wilder. Forty year-old Zhang is bigger than Ortiz, and also a lefty with perhaps a bit more power, but less skill. Odds are that he won't get any further than Ortiz did.


          lmfao @ ortiz

          look at their amateur accolades

          Zhang is head and shoulders above Ortiz. Zhang is in fact more skilled.

          On top of that, he's bigger, hits harder and is more durable.
          Last edited by HeadShots; 09-08-2023, 11:47 AM.
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          • #55
            Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

            I dunno about Wilder and Ruiz beating him. And no way on Ortiz. I doubt Dubios and Parker too. Fury? forgetaboutit . Fury he would never risk a fight vs. Zhang.
            Fury actually did but Joyce won't let it happen.

            Honestly, I am not sure what people see in Zhang. To me, he is a pretty average fighter who gets beaten by most top fighters. If Joyce has learned anything about not blocking shots with his face, I will back Joyce in the rematch too. I had the same feeling when some people here were backing Kownacki as the next big thing and I used to say the guy is below average. same with Nathan Gorman when people thought he would beat Dubois.

            I know Ortiz is getting quite old and deteriorating with every fight but if he shows up well-conditioned, I will still give him the slight edge. If it was Ortiz of 4 years ago, I would give Ortiz a 99% chance of beating Zhang.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Zelda View Post

              Fury actually did but Joyce won't let it happen.

              Honestly, I am not sure what people see in Zhang. To me, he is a pretty average fighter who gets beaten by most top fighters. If Joyce has learned anything about not blocking shots with his face, I will back Joyce in the rematch too. I had the same feeling when some people here were backing Kownacki as the next big thing and I used to say the guy is below average. same with Nathan Gorman when people thought he would beat Dubois.

              I know Ortiz is getting quite old and deteriorating with every fight but if he shows up well-conditioned, I will still give him the slight edge. If it was Ortiz of 4 years ago, I would give Ortiz a 99% chance of beating Zhang.


              He beat Hrgovic in most people's eyes and knocked out Joe Joyce


              eg. those 2 wins alone eclipse what Wilder has done in his entire career.


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              • #57
                Originally posted by HeadShots View Post



                He beat Hrgovic in most people's eyes and knocked out Joe Joyce


                eg. those 2 wins alone eclipse what Wilder has done in his entire career.

                He beat a guy who defends with his face and lost to another guy but let's refuse to acknowledge that...and suddenly he has a better resume than a guy with 10 title defenses.

                Why not go ahead and claim he beats Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, and Ali in one night too?

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer View Post
                  I believe he stops Joyce again. That puts him in the line for Usyk, I believe he KO`s Usyk, Zhang punches much harder than Dubois and he is not a puss.y.

                  Fury won`t fight him, that is for sure, Fury is a coward, but Zhang can beat all guys waiting on WBC title shot.

                  Zhang could be old and slow, but it is rubbish era anyway, he can beat them all.
                  Guess you didnt see the fight where he LOST. Hes also FORTY. Hes a robotic, watered down version of Fury so, NO.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Zelda View Post

                    He beat a guy who defends with his face and lost to another guy but let's refuse to acknowledge that...and suddenly he has a better resume than a guy with 10 title defenses.

                    Why not go ahead and claim he beats Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, and Ali in one night too?


                    80% of the people on boxingscene poll thought Zhang won over Hrgo.



                    He simply has a better resume than WIlder. Wilder got his head bashed in 2 times now. and he's beaten NO ONE as good as Joyce. Period.
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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer View Post
                      I believe he stops Joyce again. That puts him in the line for Usyk, I believe he KO`s Usyk, Zhang punches much harder than Dubois and he is not a puss.y.

                      Fury won`t fight him, that is for sure, Fury is a coward, but Zhang can beat all guys waiting on WBC title shot.

                      Zhang could be old and slow, but it is rubbish era anyway, he can beat them all.
                      This aged well lol. Couldn't even beat Joe Parker.

                      This your boxing knowledge summed up.

                      Look how accurate my reply was, saying he will get beat very soon and everyone will backtrack. It happened one fight later.

                      And you think you can talk boxing with me son.
                      Last edited by deathofaclown; 03-22-2024, 02:54 AM.

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