Comments Thread For: Bellew: When Going Gets Tough, Brook Looks For a Way Out - Dubois is The Same

[Sid-Knee]

No, dude. Dubious got up between 9 and 10. The video clearly illustrates this, but because you have a chickpea for a brain, you can't grasp this simple fact.

You're a hyper-emotional dullard. The only things you've ever "owned" are inflatable 3ex dolls, hand lotion and tons of humiliation pawn DVDs.

You really should start taking your meds again.

Getting up between 9 and 10 is not staying down for the full 10 count like you originally said. Therefore, you have in fact been corrected like you always have been. But please, keep playing these games. When do you not?

[BlackRobb]

Getting up between 9 and 10 is not staying down for the full 10 count like you originally said. Therefore, you have in fact been corrected like you always have been. But please, keep playing these games. When do you not?

Getting up between 9 and 10 is not the same as getting up at 9, you stooge. The only one who has been corrected is you. Remember of few months back when you said Ward-Froch was competitive? You really shouldn't have chewed Crayons as a child. Or was it paint chips?

[Boro]

This is even more all over the place than the last posts.

That quote about it being his one and only chance to fight for a title is about Dubois. Dubois made the count. That is a fact, not an opinion. Now you're saying that Dubois should have finished Usyk when he dropped him even though Usyk had over 5 minutes to recover. He then used his feet to see out the round. How in the hell is that quitting? You definitely made that comment thinking Dubois didn't make the count so you're now looking for another way to justify your quit comment so as not to look ******. Sorry, but that's pathetic. I only want the facts and what stands up to scrutiny. I'm not interested in coming up with some narrative like so many on here with their easy to come by thoughtless nonsense. Thinking fighters should just open up like an idiot the way a fighter like Usyk would want as quitting is even more ridiculous. We'd have a whole different landscape if fighters were judged this way. Most at some point would be called a quitter. That isn't an adult thinking rationally. That's pretty much the same thought process of those deranged extremists you can't miss in this sport.

I asked for you to back up your comment on AJ being asked to come out of the corner by the ref because i know you can't as it isn't true. But you're trying to fob me off to save face again. Yet i'm the one with the agenda? Don't make me laugh. You've even had a like from one of the biggest extremists on the site. Someone i clown for fun with the facts while his desperate slander fails to hit the mark. You need to take some time away from this freak show. It's messing with your head being around these weirdo's all the time. It isn't healthy. I'm looking for truth. Not the usual from weirdo's with ego problems. If you make a comment that isn't true, admit it. Don't double down or deflect. As for thinking you can hear a ref asking a fighter to come out of the corner with the naked eye... Yeah, alright. You must be a lot more evolved than the rest of us. However reading what you've got to say doesn't leave me thinking that for some strange reason.

Everyone who watched Brook knows all about how hard it was to make Welter before fighting Golovkin. To think he'd have no problems with the weight after putting muscle on to fight at Middleweight is showing an ignorance you shouldn't be having at this point. Of course he was going to struggle in the second half. Roy Jones did the same with Tarver. You can even see him flagging. Same with Brook. Jones didn't have a stoppage defeat and a bad eye injury though when coming back down.

Bizarre. You can say that again. Just not in the way you're thinking. I'm good on my end. You're all over the place though. Maybe come out with more madness and irony to see if you can get another like from one of the main freaks on the forum in BlackRobb. He clearly likes the way you think. But that is in fact the problem here.

I did not make any comment about the count you absolute rétard stop confusing me for someone else.

If you don't think capitulating after believing you've just stopped someone and giving all the signals you want to quit (after a jab in Daniels case) in the case Dubois and AJ isn't quitting then you're deluded, sorry but there is simply no other rationale explanation than delusion, other than you being in love with these men...

I don't need to back up any claims, anymore than I already have particularly when you have a refusal to accept reality or see it for what it is, it isn't my problem as I've stated twice now, see above point about being rationale.

It's beyond ironic that you'd have the audacity to mention doubling down when as i've said you simply refuse to accept what can be seen in the AJ fight why would I feel the need to prove anything further in the case of Dubois vs Lerena when there is clearly an inherent bias in favor of anything British and as I said above a blatant refusal to accept reality.

And back to irony once again implying I heard anything in the AJ when I never made that assertion Is laughable, it's beyond apparent with the hands gestures alone, the pulling of his belt so on and so forth what he was wanting from AJ,but as I said above your inability to accept reality/love for these man is simply clouding your judgement beyond what is acceptable for a healthy back and forth.

Again brook COULD have seen out the end of the fight, he didn't have to take a knee and quit but despite that he choose to do so, it's conjecture to say he was flagging, it's not conjecture to say he took a knee and spewed it despite that the fact it could be argued it was a logical choice for him, doesn't make it any less of a quit job...

Why do think I would care about Blackrobb or anyone and their decision to agree or not with me, we're having this back and forth, anyone's choice to agree or not holds no bearing on this conversation whatsoever.

The fact you think it matters to me in anyway is actually really bizarre and quite telling about your weird obsession with other males and kinda gives me the impression you're one them chronically online types...

I'm getting really tired of repeating myself to you here, it's become increasingly apparent there is no reasoning with someone who díck rides for fighters because he has a man crush or due their nationality, I can't use logic to convince you out of an position that you didn't reach using logic.

[Sid-Knee]

Getting up between 9 and 10 is not the same as getting up at 9, you stooge. The only one who has been corrected is you. Remember of few months back when you said Ward-Froch was competitive? You really shouldn't have chewed Crayons as a child. Or was it paint chips?

If you're making the claim that Dubois stayed down for the full 10 count only to see it wasn't true, then it's clear who has been corrected here. You saying it was between 9 and 10 was nothing more than you trying to deflect away from your original comment with fallacies as per usual. I don't buy them though, i just laugh at them. But come back again due to your crushed ego. Again.

[Sid-Knee]

I did not make any comment about the count you absolute rétard stop confusing me for someone else.

If you don't think capitulating after believing you've just stopped someone and giving all the signals you want to quit (after a jab in Daniels case) in the case Dubois and AJ isn't quitting then you're deluded, sorry but there is simply no other rationale explanation than delusion, other than you being in love with these men...

I don't need to back up any claims, anymore than I already have particularly when you have a refusal to accept reality or see it for what it is, it isn't my problem as I've stated twice now, see above point about being rationale.

It's beyond ironic that you'd have the audacity to mention doubling down when as i've said you simply refuse to accept what can be seen in the AJ fight why would I feel the need to prove anything further in the case of Dubois vs Lerena when there is clearly an inherent bias in favor of anything British and as I said above a blatant refusal to accept reality.

And back to irony once again implying I heard anything in the AJ when I never made that assertion Is laughable, it's beyond apparent with the hands gestures alone, the pulling of his belt so on and so forth what he was wanting from AJ,but as I said above your inability to accept reality/love for these man is simply clouding your judgement beyond what is acceptable for a healthy back and forth.

Again brook COULD have seen out the end of the fight, he didn't have to take a knee and quit but despite that he choose to do so, it's conjecture to say he was flagging, it's not conjecture to say he took a knee and spewed it despite that the fact it could be argued it was a logical choice for him, doesn't make it any less of a quit job...

Why do think I would care about Blackrobb or anyone and their decision to agree or not with me, we're having this back and forth, anyone's choice to agree or not holds no bearing on this conversation whatsoever.

The fact you think it matters to me in anyway is actually really bizarre and quite telling about your weird obsession with other males and kinda gives me the impression you're one them chronically online types...

I'm getting really tired of repeating myself to you here, it's become increasingly apparent there is no reasoning with someone who díck rides for fighters because he has a man crush or due their nationality, I can't use logic to convince you out of an position that you didn't reach using logic.

I didn't say you said anything about the count. But it was clear you were looking in that area. When you realised Dubois didn't stay down for the whole count, you looked elsewhere to justify your position. But under that criteria, nearly all fighters in history would have to be called quitters. Holyfield against Moorer 1. Trinidad vs Hopkins. Hopkins vs Taylor 1 and 2. Ali vs Young. Tyson vs Lewis and so on... Sorry, but it's just too extreme when making judgements against fighters.

What part of Usyk getting plenty of time to recover don't you actually understand here? If it happened within a 10 count, then i'd agree with you. But it happened a whole 5 minutes after. Then Usyk used his feet to stay out of trouble. He didn't engage. If you don't have the footwork to set yourself when your opponent is moving, then you can't get your shots off can you. It's like claiming Mallignaggi quit against opponents because he couldn't knock them out.

What gesture with his hands? He never once gestured to come to him. He never once pulled his shorts towards him like he wanted him to walk forward as it would have been obvious with a clear pull and the ref speaking in clear English to walk forward. He never did this. You can even see the ref touch the belt line, give a slight pull on it, then give AJ a slight push back when he has his hands on his belt line. That is reality and fact. Not the nonsense you're coming out with. He never once asked him to walk forward. He never once made a gesture with his hands to walk forward. All he did was ask him to turn around. Which AJ in fact did.

I'm asking a straight question on you backing a claim but all you're doing is refusing like evidence doesn't need to be put forward or something. Yes it does. Especially when someone disputes the claims You're coming out with. The fact you're going on the defensive tells me everything. The fact you're now bringing in ad hominem attacks with me supposedly liking other males is also very telling. It seems i've hit a nerve and you're becoming spiky. It's what happens when someone is wrong but their ego is hurt so come out with this kind of nonsense.

Yes or no, can you back up the claim that Dubois tried to quit whilst in the corner with Shane between rounds 1 and 2 in his fight with Lerena? Can you show me the evidence of the ref prompting AJ out of the corner like you claimed? The touch on the belt line actually goes exactly like i said it did. I can even give you the correct time stamp on the slight pull and push if you like? But it clearly isn't a ref pulling on someone to come out of a corner. It isn't even close to hard enough. Plus, as i've said. If that was the case, the ref would be speaking in plain English for him to do so and not pushing him slightly back when having his hand on his belt line.

[Boro]

I didn't say you said anything about the count. But it was clear you were looking in that area. When you realised Dubois didn't stay down for the whole count, you looked elsewhere to justify your position. But under that criteria, nearly all fighters in history would have to be called quitters. Holyfield against Moorer 1. Trinidad vs Hopkins. Hopkins vs Taylor 1 and 2. Ali vs Young. Tyson vs Lewis and so on... Sorry, but it's just too extreme when making judgements against fighters.

What part of Usyk getting plenty of time to recover don't you actually understand here? If it happened within a 10 count, then i'd agree with you. But it happened a whole 5 minutes after. Then Usyk used his feet to stay out of trouble. He didn't engage. If you don't have the footwork to set yourself when your opponent is moving, then you can't get your shots off can you. It's like claiming Mallignaggi quit against opponents because he couldn't knock them out.

What gesture with his hands? He never once gestured to come to him. He never once pulled his shorts towards him like he wanted him to walk forward as it would have been obvious with a clear pull and the ref speaking in clear English to walk forward. He never did this. You can even see the ref touch the belt line, give a slight pull on it, then give AJ a slight push back when he has his hands on his belt line. That is reality and fact. Not the nonsense you're coming out with. He never once asked him to walk forward. He never once made a gesture with his hands to walk forward. All he did was ask him to turn around. Which AJ in fact did.

I'm asking a straight question on you backing a claim but all you're doing is refusing like evidence doesn't need to be put forward or something. Yes it does. Especially when someone disputes the claims You're coming out with. The fact you're going on the defensive tells me everything. The fact you're now bringing in ad hominem attacks with me supposedly liking other males is also very telling. It seems i've hit a nerve and you're becoming spiky. It's what happens when someone is wrong but their ego is hurt so come out with this kind of nonsense.

Yes or no, can you back up the claim that Dubois tried to quit whilst in the corner with Shane between rounds 1 and 2 in his fight with Lerena? Can you show me the evidence of the ref prompting AJ out of the corner like you claimed? The touch on the belt line actually goes exactly like i said it did. I can even give you the correct time stamp on the slight pull and push if you like? But it clearly isn't a ref pulling on someone to come out of a corner. It isn't even close to hard enough. Plus, as i've said. If that was the case, the ref would be speaking in plain English for him to do so and not pushing him slightly back when having his hand on his belt line.

You've mentioned the count in every single quote/respone involving me, either you're braindead or you're being disingenuous i'm undecided which one it is at this point...

Again you're being disingenuous about the AJ fight even in your own response just now you say he didn't pull on his belt then in the same breathe say the ref did.

Literally conceding to my earlier point about him doing so and now you're denying him gesturing him to come out of the corner, i'm sure that will change too...

There is no ego involved with this conversation, you're the one who felt the need to imply I'm perputually on this site and somehow involved with the degenerates on it, though I don't know this Blackrobb charcter to label him a degenrate...

As well as the implication i'm rétarded with again the either disingenuous or rétarded take "more evolved than the rest of us" when clearly I was talking about AJ and you applied it to the Dubois vs Lerena fight...

I match your energy, not become defensive and you get salty, there is clear differences between the two but i'm sure they're lost on you.

I don't need to give you any links despite it being the normal protocol, you've proven to be unwilling to actually engage in good faith, you're continual being disingenuous and as we know he'd already spewed it in the Joyce fight and later in the Usyk fight.

The Lerena point was just to prove a behavioural pattern, it does not make my arguement by any means it just strengthens it.

But again i'm not wasting my time trawling through numerous sites and videos to find a video proving it for someone who has consistently been acting in bad faith...

As for your smartass comment about the timestamp, I literally gave the correct timestamp this site not playing it from when I timestamped it is an issue with this site not me...

[BlackRobb]

If you're making the claim that Dubois stayed down for the full 10 count only to see it wasn't true, then it's clear who has been corrected here. You saying it was between 9 and 10 was nothing more than you trying to deflect away from your original comment with fallacies as per usual. I don't buy them though, i just laugh at them. But come back again due to your crushed ego. Again.

You said Dubois got up at 9. You were wrong also. Go take your meds and sit down somewhere. You're making yourself look unhinged. Again.

[Sid-Knee]

You've mentioned the count in every single quote/respone involving me, either you're braindead or you're being disingenuous i'm undecided which one it is at this point...

Again you're being disingenuous about the AJ fight even in your own response just now you say he didn't pull on his belt then in the same breathe say the ref did.

Literally conceding to my earlier point about him doing so and now you're denying him gesturing him to come out of the corner, i'm sure that will change too...

There is no ego involved with this conversation, you're the one who felt the need to imply I'm perputually on this site and somehow involved with the degenerates on it, though I don't know this Blackrobb charcter to label him a degenrate...

As well as the implication i'm rétarded with again the either disingenuous or rétarded take "more evolved than the rest of us" when clearly I was talking about AJ and you applied it to the Dubois vs Lerena fight...

I match your energy, not become defensive and you get salty, there is clear differences between the two but i'm sure they're lost on you.

I don't need to give you any links despite it being the normal protocol, you've proven to be unwilling to actually engage in good faith, you're continual being disingenuous and as we know he'd already spewed it in the Joyce fight and later in the Usyk fight.

The Lerena point was just to prove a behavioural pattern, it does not make my arguement by any means it just strengthens it.

But again i'm not wasting my time trawling through numerous sites and videos to find a video proving it for someone who has consistently been acting in bad faith...

As for your smartass comment about the timestamp, I literally gave the correct timestamp this site not playing it from when I timestamped it is an issue with this site not me...

OK, i've been far too nice regarding this ridiculous conversation. You're an idiot, plain and simple. Why? I'll tell you.

"You're a quitter when you've got every reason to continue and no reason not to and choose not to, this might of been his one and only opportunity to fight for a title AND he's spewed it before as bellend said once you've quit once it's easier to do it going forward."

This is your quote on Dubois in the Usyk fight. Take a look at the part where you say he could have continued but chose not to. What does that mean to anyone with a brain? It means you think he took the full 10 count and quit. When you realised you were wrong, to save face, you then pretended it was due to not going after the knock out after Usyk had plenty of time to recover. But that opened a whole new can of worms as most fighters at one time or another could be accused of quitting. I'm not doing that as it is extreme and toxic. But you're an idiot as can be clearly seen but you want to play games like all the other weirdo's on here.

You called be delusional in post 49 on page 5. You called me delusional again in post 53 on page 6. Maybe read what you're writing, ******.

As for pulling on AJ's belt line. You made it out like he was pulling him out of the corner. He wasn't doing any such thing. When he touched his belt, you clearly see him giving a "Slight" pull and a "Slight" push. Why would a ref pull someone out of the corner only to push them back into it a second later if that is what he was supposedly doing? Duh! Ref's are supposed to give clear and precise instructions. He never once verbally asked him to leave the corner. He never once used his hands to motion to come out of the corner. All he did was place his hands on his belt line and give a slight push and pull. But you've interpreted this as supposed instructions. No it isn't. It isn't clear in any way. That can bee seen with the naked eye. Not what you're imagining here with your fantasy.

As for thinking something strengthens your argument, it's best you actually provide the evidence to show that what you're saying is actually true. But here we are with nothing from you yet again. You'd do well in a court of law with everyone laughing at you and your backtracking and lack of evidence. "Trust me bro" even though you have an extreme definition of quitting, misrepresent simple things in whether a ref is giving instructions or not even though they make no sense as pulling someone out of a corner then pushing them back into it a second later will be seen by those who aren't ******, as making no f3cking sense what-so-ever. Forget that the ref doesn't speak of any of these instructions the way a ref is supposed to. No, come up with your own story and madness instead. That will do. Haha.

Look, f3ckoff now. But after you do, look at your posts i've written down and see you're wrong again on who insulted who first. Then read your quote until you realise what an idiot you are as it's clear what you meant. As if you choose to not continue like you wrote, it clearly means you saying he didn't make the 10 count. Duh.

[Sid-Knee]

You said Dubois got up at 9. You were wrong also. Go take your meds and sit down somewhere. You're making yourself look unhinged. Again.

He did get up at 9. But you were just trying to save face after claiming he was down for the full count but found out again you were wrong. You even said i was the only one who was incorrect here. But no, you're wrong there too. You're always wrong.

What meds do you actually take? It's obviously a clear projection. What did the doctors say was wrong with you? Did they diagnose multiple personality disorders which you clearly have?

[BlackRobb]

He did get up at 9. But you were just trying to save face after claiming he was down for the full count but found out again you were wrong. You even said i was the only one who was incorrect here. But no, you're wrong there too. You're always wrong.

What meds do you actually take? It's obviously a clear projection. What did the doctors say was wrong with you? Did they diagnose multiple personality disorders which you clearly have?

Here is a better video that proves my point, you STOOGE. At 5:58, you can read the ref's lips as he says "eight", "nine". After the ref counts 9, Dubious begins to rise from one knee. At that point, the ref waves off the fight because it seemed to him that DD and did not wish to continue. Daniel Dubious QUIT. He could have gotten up long before the count reached five, let alone nine.

I've just illustrated that which is obvious to anyone with a brain, which is that under fire, the average UK fighter will find a way to QUIT.

Watch the video below starting at 5:50. You will see that your boy rose AFTER the ref counted 9. Now go away and take your meds, STOOGE!

https://*************/watch?v=mLSfRO...xpZ2h0cw%3D%3D