Comments Thread For: Bellew: When Going Gets Tough, Brook Looks For a Way Out - Dubois is The Same

[Sid-Knee]

I didn't even mention a count wtf are you talking about?

(34:46) so what is the ref doing here then? not pulling on his belt, not pushing him back into the corner and prompting him out of the corner of his own volition exactly like I said?

Brook quit in the Spence fight, I didn't imply quitting was a bad thing you're making an assumption, there is times when quitting is the logical thing to do, particularly in the case of Brook when he was already acutely aware of the potential ramifications of the injury he'd sustained because of the GGG fight.

But in the case of Dubois it's completely different, he's always looking for an easy exit when the going gets tough.

In regards to the "body shot" I don't care either way, as I said we all have opinions.

But what isn't up for debate is Daniel spewed in the Joyce fight, in the corner in the Lerena you could hear him looking to quit again and McGuigan had to convince him to continue in that fight and lastly in this fight he quit from a jab, he's a born quitter but that's what happens when you're boxing for your father and not for yourself.

The only person who benefited from this controversy is Dubois, he gets to quit and it's not even really mentioned, he keeps his name relevant at world level, which he clearly isn't and delusional people get to claim he was jobbed because people are more concerned about an "arguably debatable" low blow.

You said Dubois had every chance to continue like he stayed down for the full count. He didn't, he got up at 9 against Usyk.

The ref doesn't pull AJ towards him when touching the belt of his shorts. He touches his belt line and nothing else.

Point out the exact second the ref supposedly asks for AJ to come out of the corner? He does no such thing. You can even go and watch another version where you can hear everything the ref says to AJ.

It wasn't just the injury Brook had against Spence, it was the fact he boiled his frame back down to Welter again which would leave him fatigued in the second half of the fight. He had nothing left. Unless of course you think everyone who stays down when conscious is a quitter? That would include so many fighters in history who have never been accused of quitting.

Show me where Shane had to convince Dubois to carry on with him wanting to quit? Dubois didn't stay down for the full 10 count. He got up at 9 with Usyk. Say he didn't complain about the stoppage where he should have. But he did not fail to beat the count.

Lets be honest. The punch was good. Therefore, the fight should have been over. It took Usyk a full 2 minutes to be able to start thinking about moving again. Then he had more than 3 minutes on top of that to really get over it. Had he had to get up by 10, he would have badly struggled to and wouldn't be in a fit state to continue. All Dubois has to do is land on an opponent who can't move and isn't in a fir state to continue a couple of times and it's over.

[BlackRobb]

I said he rose on 9 which the video shows. You said he stayed down for the full 10. Thanks for showing i was right and you were wrong again.

He rose after 9 and before 10. The ref started waving his arms after he counted 9, not right at 9. Imbecile.

[Boro]

You said Dubois had every chance to continue like he stayed down for the full count. He didn't, he got up at 9 against Usyk.

The ref doesn't pull AJ towards him when touching the belt of his shorts. He touches his belt line and nothing else.

Point out the exact second the ref supposedly asks for AJ to come out of the corner? He does no such thing. You can even go and watch another version where you can hear everything the ref says to AJ.

It wasn't just the injury Brook had against Spence, it was the fact he boiled his frame back down to Welter again which would leave him fatigued in the second half of the fight. He had nothing left. Unless of course you think everyone who stays down when conscious is a quitter? That would include so many fighters in history who have never been accused of quitting.

Show me where Shane had to convince Dubois to carry on with him wanting to quit? Dubois didn't stay down for the full 10 count. He got up at 9 with Usyk. Say he didn't complain about the stoppage where he should have. But he did not fail to beat the count.

Lets be honest. The punch was good. Therefore, the fight should have been over. It took Usyk a full 2 minutes to be able to start thinking about moving again. Then he had more than 3 minutes on top of that to really get over it. Had he had to get up by 10, he would have badly struggled to and wouldn't be in a fit state to continue. All Dubois has to do is land on an opponent who can't move and isn't in a fir state to continue a couple of times and it's over.

As I said I've not mentioned the count once, you're confusing me for someone else...

I literally linked and given you the timestamp if you're partially sighted or simply being willfully ignorant that's not my issue...

Brook had plenty left, his eye was bothering him hence the constant blinking and pawing at the eye then he took a knee and he quit because he was aware of the consequences of the injury...

How can I show you Shane convincing him not to bail on the fight when they don't even have the fight up on youtube or it's cut the corner work out, again I don't know why you are mentioning the count I've yet to mention it apart from telling you i haven't mentioned it....

If it was such a great, clean body shot as you and other delusional people like yourself believe why didn't Daniel jump straight on him after the 3mins, why did he capitulate almost immediately after.

The truth is he knew as well as his fans it was debatable if it was legal or not, hence why he wasn't confident in jumping on him and he felt Usyk wasn't wilting and in fact Usyk felt Dubois wilt after his alleged success hence Usyks success and further domination after that point...

[Sid-Knee]

He rose after 9 and before 10. The ref started waving his arms after he counted 9, not right at 9. Imbecile.

He rose at 9. But the fact is, you said he stayed down for the whole 10 count and were in fact proven wrong. That's the point of all this. Take your defeat to go with all your other defeats.

[Sid-Knee]

As I said I've not mentioned the count once, you're confusing me for someone else...

I literally linked and given you the timestamp if you're partially sighted or simply being willfully ignorant that's not my issue...

Brook had plenty left, his eye was bothering him hence the constant blinking and pawing at the eye then he took a knee and he quit because he was aware of the consequences of the injury...

How can I show you Shane convincing him not to bail on the fight when they don't even have the fight up on youtube or it's cut the corner work out, again I don't know why you are mentioning the count I've yet to mention it apart from telling you i haven't mentioned it....

If it was such a great, clean body shot as you and other delusional people like yourself believe why didn't Daniel jump straight on him after the 3mins, why did he capitulate almost immediately after.

The truth is he knew as well as his fans it was debatable if it was legal or not, hence why he wasn't confident in jumping on him and he felt Usyk wasn't wilting and in fact Usyk felt Dubois wilt after his alleged success hence Usyks success and further domination after that point...

"You're a quitter when you've got every reason to continue and no reason not to and choose not to, this might of been his one and only opportunity to fight for a title AND he's spewed it before as bellend said once you've quit once it's easier to do it going forward..."

You said this about Dubois in the Usyk fight. That is clear in you saying Dubois stayed down for the full count of 10 when he in fact didn't.

I can see clearly. The ref isn't trying to pull AJ towards him when he touches the top of his belt. I also asked for you to show me evidence of the ref asking AJ to come out of the corner, but i'm still waiting for you to support that claim. Where is it?

No one has plenty left when draining their body back down to a weight they're already struggling with after being at Middleweight when going later into a fight. It will catch up to you. The eye from the head-clash just makes it an even worse situation.

You mean to say you can't find a full copy of the fight elsewhere? Have you not heard of World boxing video archives?

It wasn't completely clean, no. But it wasn't a low blow either. 3 minutes rest for Usyk to recover? And the rest. When it resumed, Usyk got on his bike and rode the rest of the round out. But if everyone who was knocked out in a fight were given 5 minutes to recover and resume the fight at the time of stoppage, most would be able to survive and ride the rest of the round out.

Dubois didn't get the chance to jump on a badly hurt Usyk. This was now a recovered Usyk after 5 minutes. Are you even serious here? Please tell me you're not.

[Boro]

"You're a quitter when you've got every reason to continue and no reason not to and choose not to, this might of been his one and only opportunity to fight for a title AND he's spewed it before as bellend said once you've quit once it's easier to do it going forward..."

You said this about Dubois in the Usyk fight. That is clear in you saying Dubois stayed down for the full count of 10 when he in fact didn't.

I can see clearly. The ref isn't trying to pull AJ towards him when he touches the top of his belt. I also asked for you to show me evidence of the ref asking AJ to come out of the corner, but i'm still waiting for you to support that claim. Where is it?

No one has plenty left when draining their body back down to a weight they're already struggling with after being at Middleweight when going later into a fight. It will catch up to you. The eye from the head-clash just makes it an even worse situation.

You mean to say you can't find a full copy of the fight elsewhere? Have you not heard of World boxing video archives?

It wasn't completely clean, no. But it wasn't a low blow either. 3 minutes rest for Usyk to recover? And the rest. When it resumed, Usyk got on his bike and rode the rest of the round out. But if everyone who was knocked out in a fight were given 5 minutes to recover and resume the fight at the time of stoppage, most would be able to survive and ride the rest of the round out.

Dubois didn't get the chance to jump on a badly hurt Usyk. This was now a recovered Usyk after 5 minutes. Are you even serious here? Please tell me you're not.

No him taking the count or not is irrelevant to him spewing it or not, AJ spewed it without taking the full 10 count, I don't care about your opinion on what can be seen by anyone who is being objective and not díck riding AJ.

It's subjective to say the least to insinuate that he struggled due to his weight, also I've said now twice Brook is different (this being the third time) to Dubois and AJ he actually was surely made aware of the consequences of the injury by his doctor, he'd fought through it before until his corner threw in the towel and as I said quitting can be the logical choice doesn't mean you aren't quitting though...

Why would I care to look for multiple version of a fight across different sites, you're refusing to accept what can be seen with the naked eye in the AJ fight why would it be any different with what can be heard in the Dubois fight...

Yes 3 minutes 46 if Dubois didn't jump on him after said "recovery time" it's on him, as I said that's a him problem, not only did he not jump on him immediately he didn't bother for the rest of the fight as I said he capitulated another form of quitting...

What's truly bizarre is we're both from the UK but your staunchly and blindly defending "British" fighters regardless of their performance and I don't, I judge them on merit.

Quite frankly i find it disgusting when people fan girl for a fighter due to their race/nationality etc etc at that point your not a fan of the sport your a fan of a man or their political ideology/agenda.

[BlackRobb]

"You're a quitter when you've got every reason to continue and no reason not to and choose not to, this might of been his one and only opportunity to fight for a title AND he's spewed it before as bellend said once you've quit once it's easier to do it going forward..."

You said this about Dubois in the Usyk fight. That is clear in you saying Dubois stayed down for the full count of 10 when he in fact didn't.

I can see clearly. The ref isn't trying to pull AJ towards him when he touches the top of his belt. I also asked for you to show me evidence of the ref asking AJ to come out of the corner, but i'm still waiting for you to support that claim. Where is it?

No one has plenty left when draining their body back down to a weight they're already struggling with after being at Middleweight when going later into a fight. It will catch up to you. The eye from the head-clash just makes it an even worse situation.

You mean to say you can't find a full copy of the fight elsewhere? Have you not heard of World boxing video archives?

It wasn't completely clean, no. But it wasn't a low blow either. 3 minutes rest for Usyk to recover? And the rest. When it resumed, Usyk got on his bike and rode the rest of the round out. But if everyone who was knocked out in a fight were given 5 minutes to recover and resume the fight at the time of stoppage, most would be able to survive and ride the rest of the round out.

Dubois didn't get the chance to jump on a badly hurt Usyk. This was now a recovered Usyk after 5 minutes. Are you even serious here? Please tell me you're not.

I'm not defeated at all. You are. The point of all of this is the fact that Daniel Dubious QUIT, and he clearly did. Quibbling about fractions of seconds is a cute little way of avoiding the fact that both DD and AJ have QUIT in fights on the world stage.

Jim Watt was outgunned vs. a prime Alexis Arguello for fifteen rounds, but he never QUIT. Carl Froch got shellacked for the first ten rounds of the Ward fight in AC, but he never QUIT.

If you're going to the mat for your British fighters, go to the mat for the ones the whole world respects, guys like Watt, Froch and even Ricky Burns. Going to the mat for QUITTERS like AJ and DD is sad and pathetic any way you slice it.

[Sid-Knee]

No him taking the count or not is irrelevant to him spewing it or not, AJ spewed it without taking the full 10 count, I don't care about your opinion on what can be seen by anyone who is being objective and not díck riding AJ.

It's subjective to say the least to insinuate that he struggled due to his weight, also I've said now twice Brook is different (this being the third time) to Dubois and AJ he actually was surely made aware of the consequences of the injury by his doctor, he'd fought through it before until his corner threw in the towel and as I said quitting can be the logical choice doesn't mean you aren't quitting though...

Why would I care to look for multiple version of a fight across different sites, you're refusing to accept what can be seen with the naked eye in the AJ fight why would it be any different with what can be heard in the Dubois fight...

Yes 3 minutes 46 if Dubois didn't jump on him after said "recovery time" it's on him, as I said that's a him problem, not only did he not jump on him immediately he didn't bother for the rest of the fight as I said he capitulated another form of quitting...

What's truly bizarre is we're both from the UK but your staunchly and blindly defending "British" fighters regardless of their performance and I don't, I judge them on merit.

Quite frankly i find it disgusting when people fan girl for a fighter due to their race/nationality etc etc at that point your not a fan of the sport your a fan of a man or their political ideology/agenda.

This is even more all over the place than the last posts.

That quote about it being his one and only chance to fight for a title is about Dubois. Dubois made the count. That is a fact, not an opinion. Now you're saying that Dubois should have finished Usyk when he dropped him even though Usyk had over 5 minutes to recover. He then used his feet to see out the round. How in the hell is that quitting? You definitely made that comment thinking Dubois didn't make the count so you're now looking for another way to justify your quit comment so as not to look ******. Sorry, but that's pathetic. I only want the facts and what stands up to scrutiny. I'm not interested in coming up with some narrative like so many on here with their easy to come by thoughtless nonsense. Thinking fighters should just open up like an idiot the way a fighter like Usyk would want as quitting is even more ridiculous. We'd have a whole different landscape if fighters were judged this way. Most at some point would be called a quitter. That isn't an adult thinking rationally. That's pretty much the same thought process of those deranged extremists you can't miss in this sport.

I asked for you to back up your comment on AJ being asked to come out of the corner by the ref because i know you can't as it isn't true. But you're trying to fob me off to save face again. Yet i'm the one with the agenda? Don't make me laugh. You've even had a like from one of the biggest extremists on the site. Someone i clown for fun with the facts while his desperate slander fails to hit the mark. You need to take some time away from this freak show. It's messing with your head being around these weirdo's all the time. It isn't healthy. I'm looking for truth. Not the usual from weirdo's with ego problems. If you make a comment that isn't true, admit it. Don't double down or deflect. As for thinking you can hear a ref asking a fighter to come out of the corner with the naked eye... Yeah, alright. You must be a lot more evolved than the rest of us. However reading what you've got to say doesn't leave me thinking that for some strange reason.

Everyone who watched Brook knows all about how hard it was to make Welter before fighting Golovkin. To think he'd have no problems with the weight after putting muscle on to fight at Middleweight is showing an ignorance you shouldn't be having at this point. Of course he was going to struggle in the second half. Roy Jones did the same with Tarver. You can even see him flagging. Same with Brook. Jones didn't have a stoppage defeat and a bad eye injury though when coming back down.

Bizarre. You can say that again. Just not in the way you're thinking. I'm good on my end. You're all over the place though. Maybe come out with more madness and irony to see if you can get another like from one of the main freaks on the forum in BlackRobb. He clearly likes the way you think. But that is in fact the problem here.

[Sid-Knee]

I'm not defeated at all. You are. The point of all of this is the fact that Daniel Dubious QUIT, and he clearly did. Quibbling about fractions of seconds is a cute little way of avoiding the fact that both DD and AJ have QUIT in fights on the world stage.

Jim Watt was outgunned vs. a prime Alexis Arguello for fifteen rounds, but he never QUIT. Carl Froch got shellacked for the first ten rounds of the Ward fight in AC, but he never QUIT.

If you're going to the mat for your British fighters, go to the mat for the ones the whole world respects, guys like Watt, Froch and even Ricky Burns. Going to the mat for QUITTERS like AJ and DD is sad and pathetic any way you slice it.

But you have been corrected. You said he stayed down for the whole count which you now agree he didn't. You came out with the "Oh, it was between 9 and 10" when you watched it back and tried to be slick with your strawman. You are factually wrong like you always are. If you want to play your usual deranged and delusional games, be my guest. I'm happy to clown you any time you want. Dubois got up at 9. Deal with those facts after being corrected for the 1000th time.

[BlackRobb]

But you have been corrected. You said he stayed down for the whole count which you now agree he didn't. You came out with the "Oh, it was between 9 and 10" when you watched it back and tried to be slick with your strawman. You are factually wrong like you always are. If you want to play your usual deranged and delusional games, be my guest. I'm happy to clown you any time you want. Dubois got up at 9. Deal with those facts after being corrected for the 1000th time.

No, dude. Dubious got up between 9 and 10. The video clearly illustrates this, but because you have a chickpea for a brain, you can't grasp this simple fact.

You're a hyper-emotional dullard. The only things you've ever "owned" are inflatable 3ex dolls, hand lotion and tons of humiliation pawn DVDs.

You really should start taking your meds again.