Wilder's ko ratio against top 10 opponents compared to others

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who else has such a lousy ko percentage against real opponents? should we do paulie malignaggi vs wilder?

[Amir Imam]

using the ring rankings. helenius and spilzka were not ranked and stiverne was only ranked in the first fight in which he was not ko'd. so wilder has a grand total of 2 ko's against top 10 fighters, and that was the same guy...weak as hell but keep pretending guys like helenius were legit opponents if you want.

Then you should change the title to Ring Rankings because it’s misleading but I knew you’d use the ranking system that fit your narrative. You would have used BoxRec if The Ring rankings didn’t support your argument. It’s a lot of guys that I don’t think are “legit” that are ranked. Your thread is not about if the fighters are legit or not it’s about where they are ranked. And who were the guys that Tyson KOd? It would be a better thread if you listed the fighters they KOd. If I used other rankings Wilder has KOd over 5 top 10 opponents and he never tested positive like Fury.

[Boxing 112]

ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10 at the time of the fight


lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-60% 3 out of 5
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-44% 4 out of 9
wilder-33% 2 out of 6


bonus greatness:


ali-50% 18 out of 36

Important people always leave out when they say top 10. Who's top 10 rankings are you talking about write that. Ring? Wbc? Boxrec?

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Then you should change the title to Ring Rankings because it’s misleading but I knew you’d use the ranking system that fit your narrative. You would have used BoxRec if The Ring rankings didn’t support your argument. It’s a lot of guys that I don’t think are “legit” that are ranked. Your thread is not about if the fighters are legit or not it’s about where they are ranked. And who were the guys that Tyson KOd? It would be a better thread if you listed the fighters they KOd. If I used other rankings Wilder has KOd over 5 top 10 opponents and he never tested positive like Fury.

well if you think guys like gerald washinton, spilzka, eric molina, helenius, etc...are legit then thats on you buddy. the ring rankings are the most credible rankings to my knowledge, they arent perfect and I can quibble with them but generally they have the right guys ranked, maybe not in the exact right position as they tend to favor popularity a bit more than i would like, but they arent going to rank complete bums like washington or helenius just because wilder is fighting them(wbc) or because they collected a bunch of easy wins(boxrec)

if you used other rankings...yeah and anyone who had gerald washington, eric molina, helenius, etc...ranked are obviously full of crap and they dont have credible rankings. thats the whole point of using the ring rankings. they dont rank bums and patsies. thats why i used them. i thought it was obvious but here we are...

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Important people always leave out when they say top 10. Who's top 10 rankings are you talking about write that. Ring? Wbc? Boxrec?

well i am a very important person. confirmed. i didnt know anyone took the wbc or boxrec rankings seriously? the only time i've seen someone cite the wbc rankings was to defend wilder's long list of bum opponents but of course they are going to be ranked by the wbc, you literally have to be in order to get a wilder fight, doesnt mean they were good or that anyone else thought they were good, cause they werent. thats the point of using the ring rankings instead of a belt org with an agenda. ring doesnt rank bums and patsies who are brought in to lose to A-side guys.

[Boxing 112]

well i am a very important person. confirmed. i didnt know anyone took the wbc or boxrec rankings seriously? the only time i've seen someone cite the wbc rankings was to defend wilder's long list of bum opponents but of course they are going to be ranked by the wbc, you literally have to be in order to get a wilder fight, doesnt mean they were good or that anyone else thought they were good, cause they werent. thats the point of using the ring rankings instead of a belt org with an agenda. ring doesnt rank bums and patsies who are brought in to lose to A-side guys.

I don't taoe boxrec seriously but a lot do.
So your going off Ring. Who have a 44 yearold Luis Ortiz still in the top 10 coming off a loss and inactive a year. They also have Jared Anderson top 10...

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anyone who thinks the wbc rankings are more legit than the ring...just stop. you already lost. they rank bums like gerald washington and helenius. is that the hill you want to die on? its time to address the points laid out and its time to stop distracting from the issue, and that issue is wilder fights bums and wilder struggles to ko real opponents. you can say he ko'd all these great ranked fighters based on your own personal fantasy rankings but then you would have to have gerald washington and helenius ranked in your fantasy rankings...do you really want to make yourself look silly and do that? do you?

also i remember when ggg was ko'ing a bunch of top 10 fighters some said said oh hes ko'ing bums, yet if its so easy to ko top 10 fighters why has wilder only ko'd one top 10 fighter his entire career? its so easy right??? oh thats going to be a tough one to overcome. lets hear it keep trying.

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I don't taoe boxrec seriously but a lot do.
So your going off Ring. Who have a 44 yearold Luis Ortiz still in the top 10 coming off a loss and inactive a year. They also have Jared Anderson top 10...

i dont see anything wrong in ranking ortiz coming off a razor close loss to another top 10 fighter in ruiz. to me that shows he can still hang with the better guys in the division. i dont see anything wrong with ranking anderson either. he has a pretty good win over charles martin. im sure you could make a case for someone else in his spot but hes only ranked 10th so makes sense and whyte was removed from the rankings because he failed a ped test so anderson is only ranked based on that.

tbrb also has very credible rankings and they have almost the same rankings as ring. ring has parker and anderson ranked and tbrb have wallin and whyte and we already addressed whyte. either way you wont see guys like helenius or gerald washington anywhere near these rankings. you can nitpick all you want but these guys aren't sniffing credible rankings and you know it.

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there are some hidden gem fighters who are unranked but probably should be, or go on to have great careers even after defeat...wilder has none of those type of fighters on his resume though. for example when loma fought gary russel jr, russel jr was unranked and hadnt done much at all, but after he lost to loma he became the #1 guy in the division. thats a great win for loma even though russell jr technically was unranked. wilder has none of those type of wins. the guys he fought were not good, and they stayed not good, but he knew they werent good...thats why he fought them, he even thought fury wasnt good anymore and thats why he picked him, he literally said that himself

[SilverMiles]

Important people always leave out when they say top 10. Who's top 10 rankings are you talking about write that. Ring? Wbc? Boxrec?

No one ever brings up the ratings the belt organisation offers outside when a less-than-desirable opponent is chosen as their mandatory. Whenever the top 10 is mentioned, it's either in reference to Ring Magazine or TBRB.