Another Dark Age is approaching the HW division

[War Room]

Fury, Usyk, AJ, and lastly Wilder =---> they'll be gone before you know it. Fury and Usk are old and AJ + Wilder doesn't have the guts for it anymore (or much longer).

Who's up the bat next? Pretty grim for new talent to be fair. Could be curtains for the division.

[PRINCEKOOL]

People need to understand that, in all honesty? Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Usyk have all fought their most important fights.

We are now witnessing the conclusion to THEIR era. THEIR era, many of these other Heavyweights are competing in the era below the Top-4.

So yes, I may objectively criticize Fury for not having the depth in his resume that I think he could have 'But Fury has still fought in big fights, that were of historical magnitude' Not a very high number of fights, but Fury still has two mega wins on his resume.

The Top 4 Heavyweights are competing in their own competition 'And that competition is to identify who is going to be the last man standing'.

Lennox Lewis was the last man standing from the late 80's and 90's era 'Muhammad Ali was the last man standing of the 70's'.

What is happening in the game today, we have seen before in past era's 'That is why I personally don't complain or discredit the Heavyweight division, the events are all apart of the competitive cycle'.

Now? The Heavyweights below the Top-4. Ability wise so far they look to be not even anywhere near Fury, Joshua, Usyk or even Wilder's level.

A peak David Haye, peak Chisora, maybe even a Danny Williams on his best night. Would in my opinion, potentially beat 95% of the up and coming Heavyweights in the current Heavyweight division.

That 95% estimate was in reference to Danny Williams 'Because a Heavyweight and fighter like David Haye, in my opinion would of beaten 99.9% of the up and coming Heavyweights'.

Large majority of Heavyweights are out of condition. But they use the statistics that appear on the scale 'To claim they are super Heavyweights. In reality there are very few solid at the weight Super Heavyweights active in the game.

So in some ways the thread starter is correct 'But in other ways he is wrong'.

Because no matter how much people mock and devalue the Heavyweight division 'It is still a division, were boxing fans KNOW exactly what they are watching. When two Heavyweight fighters agree to compete against one another, people understand? That those two fighters are going to prepare primarly to beat their opponents 'That will be their primary intention'.

Within the Heavyweight division there are no weight limits, no catch weights and no re-hydration clause 'And the Heavyweight division does not suffer from the effects of the modern day toxic weight draining culture. That is present within all the lower weight divisions'.

I don't particular rate the Fury, Joshua, Wilder, and Usyk era very highly skill for skill. But in terms of competition 'It was real, and it has been engrossed with passion'.

Wladimir Kiltschko was the last great Heavyweight World Champion, in terms of behaving like a Champion and taking on all comers 'People in the game understand this now, and his statistics prove that statement of mine objectively'.

But Fury, Joshua, Wilder and Usyk. When their competition of who is going to be the last man standing is concluded 'People within boxing, the experts and the analytical fans will on some level understand appreciate what they have done'.

People will appreciate Fury's story, Joshua's story, Wilder's story and Usyk's story 'And all the other fighters that have play apart in their era'.

Note: So whether the Heavyweight division enters into another Dark Age or not. People will just have to come into acceptance that for whatever reason, these men 'These fighters' Are at the apex of the sport, and they are the best at what the game has to offer etc.

[tonysoprano]

It’s already a dark age because none of these guys will fight each other. Fury and Wilder haven’t fought Joshua or Usyk.

The HW division is dying a slow death.

[$quabbles94806]

Fury, Usyk, AJ, and lastly Wilder =---> they'll be gone before you know it. Fury and Usk are old and AJ + Wilder doesn't have the guts for it anymore (or much longer).

Who's up the bat next? Pretty grim for new talent to be fair. Could be curtains for the division.

There's plenty of HW's for the 2nd wave. It all just depends on how they're built up. "Boxing fans" tend to forget this is a business and a production. There's so much that goes on in the gyms, behind closed doors, and in the office. What the fans see on Fight Night, in the ring is the end result of all the hard work and preparation that's put into this game. However, without the fans and the audience, we'd still be fighting in gyms and pubs for money...

Baby Anderson could be put in position and Andy Ruiz Jr. still has life in him. There's so many other HW's that people have never even heard up. Just waiting for the right time.
Fury should be retiring soon, and UK Boxers can carry Boxing for so long. I've always been for the American Heavyweight.

[TMLT87]

The talent level in this era was nothing special but what made it better than the Klitschko era was the personalities involved. That we got several entertaining English speaker HWs around at the same time at the top of the rankings. Most of the next generation dont have the same marketability, Jared does have potential but we will see how that pans out. Dubois will be somewhat of a star because of the UK market, but he isnt anywhere near as charismatic and marketable as AJ and Fury were.

[War Room]

There's plenty of HW's for the 2nd wave. It all just depends on how they're built up. "Boxing fans" tend to forget this is a business and a production. There's so much that goes on in the gyms, behind closed doors, and in the office. What the fans see on Fight Night, in the ring is the end result of all the hard work and preparation that's put into this game. However, without the fans and the audience, we'd still be fighting in gyms and pubs for money...

Baby Anderson could be put in position and Andy Ruiz Jr. still has life in him. There's so many other HW's that people have never even heard up. Just waiting for the right time.
Fury should be retiring soon, and UK Boxers can carry Boxing for so long. I've always been for the American Heavyweight.

Boxing fans? Don't talk to me like some pleb, I've got more credentials in my left left nut than you do 110%. It's crazy, you people wonder why I get aggressive, I get met with being talked down to on so many posts lmao.

I've been paying attention to the hw division for a minute, I don't see the talent. Like who? All you got is Anderson and Ruiz, are you being serious??

Jared Anderson will be a short lived name, he gets hit like gangbusters. Ruiz is toast, maybe 1-2 fights left before he's spark out. Seen a few guys recently up and coming, can't remember their names, they suck.

[$quabbles94806]

Boxing fans? Don't talk to me like some pleb, I've got more credentials in my left left nut than you do 110%. It's crazy, you people wonder why I get aggressive, I get met with being talked down to on so many posts lmao.

I've been paying attention to the hw division for a minute, I don't see the talent. Like who? All you got is Anderson and Ruiz, are you being serious??

Jared Anderson will be a short lived name, he gets hit like gangbusters. Ruiz is toast, maybe 1-2 fights left before he's spark out. Seen a few guys recently up and coming, can't remember their names, they suck.

I don't see you at the fights.

[War Room]

I don't see you at the fights.

My book is filled with fights (wins) from the early 90's.

[FinitoxDinamita]

I thought it was the dark ages for the past twenty years or so. HW division absolutely sucks like it’s so uninteresting I dont really pay attention to it.

It’s all about the lower weight divisions.

[Roadblock]

Fury, Usyk, AJ, and lastly Wilder =---> they'll be gone before you know it. Fury and Usk are old and AJ + Wilder doesn't have the guts for it anymore (or much longer).

Who's up the bat next? Pretty grim for new talent to be fair. Could be curtains for the division.

I think the HW division has been in the dark age since 2000, I never took to it evolving into giants, if you have some ability and huge size they do ok, as an example somebody like Wilder as a WW would be very lucky to get to world title status, you can't have such little skills and bomb your way to legit WTs in the lower weight classes.