Another Dark Age is approaching the HW division

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  • I_Didn't_Hear_No_Bell
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    #11
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
    People need to understand that, in all honesty? Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Usyk have all fought their most important fights.

    We are now witnessing the conclusion to THEIR era. THEIR era, many of these other Heavyweights are competing in the era below the Top-4.

    So yes, I may objectively criticize Fury for not having the depth in his resume that I think he could have 'But Fury has still fought in big fights, that were of historical magnitude' Not a very high number of fights, but Fury still has two mega wins on his resume.

    The Top 4 Heavyweights are competing in their own competition 'And that competition is to identify who is going to be the last man standing'.

    Lennox Lewis was the last man standing from the late 80's and 90's era 'Muhammad Ali was the last man standing of the 70's'.

    What is happening in the game today, we have seen before in past era's 'That is why I personally don't complain or discredit the Heavyweight division, the events are all apart of the competitive cycle'.

    Now? The Heavyweights below the Top-4. Ability wise so far they look to be not even anywhere near Fury, Joshua, Usyk or even Wilder's level.

    A peak David Haye, peak Chisora, maybe even a Danny Williams on his best night. Would in my opinion, potentially beat 95% of the up and coming Heavyweights in the current Heavyweight division.

    That 95% estimate was in reference to Danny Williams 'Because a Heavyweight and fighter like David Haye, in my opinion would of beaten 99.9% of the up and coming Heavyweights'.

    Large majority of Heavyweights are out of condition. But they use the statistics that appear on the scale 'To claim they are super Heavyweights. In reality there are very few solid at the weight Super Heavyweights active in the game.

    So in some ways the thread starter is correct 'But in other ways he is wrong'.

    Because no matter how much people mock and devalue the Heavyweight division 'It is still a division, were boxing fans KNOW exactly what they are watching. When two Heavyweight fighters agree to compete against one another, people understand? That those two fighters are going to prepare primarly to beat their opponents 'That will be their primary intention'.

    Within the Heavyweight division there are no weight limits, no catch weights and no re-hydration clause 'And the Heavyweight division does not suffer from the effects of the modern day toxic weight draining culture. That is present within all the lower weight divisions'.

    I don't particular rate the Fury, Joshua, Wilder, and Usyk era very highly skill for skill. But in terms of competition 'It was real, and it has been engrossed with passion'.

    Wladimir Kiltschko was the last great Heavyweight World Champion, in terms of behaving like a Champion and taking on all comers 'People in the game understand this now, and his statistics prove that statement of mine objectively'.

    But Fury, Joshua, Wilder and Usyk. When their competition of who is going to be the last man standing is concluded 'People within boxing, the experts and the analytical fans will on some level understand appreciate what they have done'.

    People will appreciate Fury's story, Joshua's story, Wilder's story and Usyk's story 'And all the other fighters that play apart in that era'.

    Note: So whether the Heavyweight division enters into another Dark Age or not. People will just have to come into acceptance that for whatever reason, these men 'These fighters' Are at the apex of the sport, and they are the best at what the game has to offer etc.









    Wtf is this gibberish

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    • Inspired
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      #12
      Jalolov and Makhmudov look scary.

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      • Inspired
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        #13
        I've always thought the 90s era was overrated actually.
        Firstly, they were beating all these ex champions, champions who were charles martin level at best. Guys who were gifted belts in the post Ali era, only to then get easily dismantled by the new guys a few years later.

        We never did truely see prime vs prime in the 90s other than maybe holyfield vs bowe, but that was tainted by holyfields ped use problems.

        i dont see what the fuss is about. From around 97 onwards I used to watch all the big boxing cards in the US, on VHS here (the video store guy used to record them and rent them out). Whilst the events felt bigger in my mind, we werent saturated with entertainment/content back then. I felt the same about football/soccer.

        personally ive enjoyed the last 10 yrs of boxing more than i have any other sport in the past 20+ yrs.

        it was always Tyson Fury and Wilder turning it to sh** but at least they fought each other. it's just that id have liked to have seen more. i didnt need a fury chisory trilogy, nor a fury wilder trilogy. nor the second ortiz fight, nor ****** fights like wilder vs brezeale, stiverne 2 etc. they've brought themselves time. we didnt even get to see wilder vs povetkin. had povetkin chinned wilder once, he'd have murdered him (obv it works both ways).

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        • Boxing 112
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          #14
          This era has been good with AJ Fury Wilder. In the next generation coming up there is no one similar. No one like Fury who can talk and is a good fighter at 6'8-9 however tall. You got Wilder one of the most destructive punchers in history. You got AJ who gained big casual audience following and was selling stadium. Fury has done the same. Can't see which upcoming heavyweight will be selling a stadium



          We have had Fury Wilder 3 times big fights which will be remembered. AJ vs Wilder or Fury not happening is the problem, not getting into who's at fault. But AJ needs to fight one of them. I don't think we'll see AJ vs Wilder and Fury both happen in this era too many obstacles with making these big super fights happen. But 1 of them has to happen. AJ Wilder won't happen next either like everyone thinks.

          Wilder AJ. Wilder Usyk. AJ Fury. Fury Usyk.

          I actually think Fury Usyk is still the most likely to happen out of those.


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          • Dr. Z
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            #15
            Originally posted by War Room
            Fury, Usyk, AJ, and lastly Wilder =---> they'll be gone before you know it. Fury and Usk are old and AJ + Wilder doesn't have the guts for it anymore (or much longer).

            Who's up the bat next? Pretty grim for new talent to be fair. Could be curtains for the division.
            IMO the next batch of contenders is better. They are all disappointing as champions except for Usyk.

            Check my thread and be sure to visiting the last page for my current ratings of prospects. I will update it soon and do so once a quarter. It's detailed and I have not seen one quite like this on the web.

            To qualify for the list of prospects, you must be under the age of 35 ( sorry Joyce you are too old) and have not fought for a WBC/IBF/WBA/WBO title. You must also be undefeated. Okay, everyone got it? I have seen each person at least once. My rankings are a mix of results to date pro potential and accomplishments. Almost


            What do you think?

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            • War Room
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              #16
              Originally posted by Roadblock

              I think the HW division has been in the dark age since 2000, I never took to it evolving into giants, if you have some ability and huge size they do ok, as an example somebody like Wilder as a WW would be very lucky to get to world title status, you can't have such little skills and bomb your way to legit WTs in the lower weight classes.
              The HW division is very exciting with Fury right now. It's not the golden age, but hardly desolte.

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              • War Room
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                #17
                Originally posted by Dr. Z

                IMO the next batch of contenders is better. They are all disappointing as champions except for Usyk.

                Check my thread and be sure to visiting the last page for my current ratings of prospects. I will update it soon and do so once a quarter. It's detailed and I have not seen one quite like this on the web.

                To qualify for the list of prospects, you must be under the age of 35 ( sorry Joyce you are too old) and have not fought for a WBC/IBF/WBA/WBO title. You must also be undefeated. Okay, everyone got it? I have seen each person at least once. My rankings are a mix of results to date pro potential and accomplishments. Almost


                What do you think?
                I'll have a look. Thanks for the link.

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                • QueensburyRules
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by War Room
                  Fury, Usyk, AJ, and lastly Wilder =---> they'll be gone before you know it. Fury and Usk are old and AJ + Wilder doesn't have the guts for it anymore (or much longer).

                  Who's up the bat next? Pretty grim for new talent to be fair. Could be curtains for the division.
                  - - That's just a dark mass approaching your nether sphincter soon to be eliminated along with the rest of your roughage.

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                  • miniq
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                    #19
                    It will be a dark period for boxing. Never mind heavyweight. It's dead already anyone can see that.

                    The world economy is going to POT next year. Recessions globally...and boxing will falter with that. Hence why all of them are gagging for this Saudi payday.

                    Fury Usyk will the be the whimper...not the **** that finishes everything off early next year.
                    Last edited by miniq; 08-28-2023, 10:04 AM.

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                    • Dr. Z
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by War Room

                      I'll have a look. Thanks for the link.
                      You're welcome. Let me know what you think, and I will update the ratings once a quarter. Maybe the site will sponsor it as a thread?

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