Comments Thread For: Otto Wallin: Helenius is Definitely a Big Puncher, He Can Hurt Joshua

[billeau2]

Big Bob had Wilder backed up to the ropes and looking scared until he got pawed by a pitty pat punch and decided to follow the script.

Then it was fall down, roll eyes, stiffen the arms and pretend he was flattened by the supposedly hardest puncher in the history of combat sports.

If Helenius comes out firing like he did against Wilder, backs AJ up until Joshua gets that look that says 'save me ref' only for Big Bob to then land a solid crack that perhaps even the ref might not be able to save AJ from, then fair play...

But more likely Bob will be paid more to take a dive than go for broke so I'm expecting a first round AJ KO.

Yay...go boxing !!!

It is not an impossible assertion that boxing may have dive teams... But if you use a bit of reason, tempered with some common sense, and fer justda helluvit read Juggernaut 666's post... You might then ask yourself: Why Helenius? Wouldn't there be better fighters to "fix it" with than the guy who got spanked so hard by the Bronze Bomber? This is a fight Joshua wants, and if the fix team couldn't get Whyte's test put aside (see what I mean?) Whyte was at least ****** territory for Wilder. The Nordic Nightmare would be a Polish fix for sure: If Aj gets him out of there in the first few rounds "wow he did as well as Wilder." If he just has an shiaty fight where he wins rounds as Helenius gases, then people will call that out. And there is always the risk of a big punch...

See why this is probably not a fix?

[billeau2]

This is a GREAT fight. Any tougher and they'd risk the quarter billion dollar Legacy fights against Fury and Wilder.

Helenius is no AT Great, but may yet be just what Emanuel Steward said he was when he predicted that "Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Robert Helenius will rule the division" some years ago.

I'm figuring A.J. to shine like his career depended on it; but I'm not sleeping on the hard hitting Viking either.

Does this smell like Joshua- Andy Ruiz I????

Sure does 'cept instead of Rice, beans and salsa, the kitchen smells of Hakarl (fermented Shark Viking style!). I feel bad for AJ because it is very hard for him to look good here. Helenius is dangerous. Especially if he smells fear, or sees hesitation, he will try to knock AJ down and out. Meanwhile what does AJ gain from this fight? a comparison to Wilder, which he could only match... I guess unless he literally decapitates the viking lol. If he has some rocky moments it will not look good for him, so what gain is there here versus the risk?

[billeau2]

While Helenius is a big puncher, his chin is even weaker than Joshua's. This isn't a good fight, not even as a late replacement fight.
Helenius just fought on August 5, 2023, a couple of day's ago how's that going to affect him one way, or another?

Might make him sharp... actually for Helenius this could potentially be a good thing, he probably won't go the length of the fight either way, and if he sharp enough to really set up a couple of legit opportunities to tap AJ's chin, t would be worth it. While it is doubtful Helenius can do much, there is a certain strength in knowing exactly what you have to do.

[pollywog]

Was that the first fight you ever watched?

That didn't qualify as a fight.

[pollywog]

It is not an impossible assertion that boxing may have dive teams... But if you use a bit of reason, tempered with some common sense, and fer justda helluvit read Juggernaut 666's post... You might then ask yourself: Why Helenius? Wouldn't there be better fighters to "fix it" with than the guy who got spanked so hard by the Bronze Bomber? This is a fight Joshua wants, and if the fix team couldn't get Whyte's test put aside (see what I mean?) Whyte was at least ****** territory for Wilder. The Nordic Nightmare would be a Polish fix for sure: If Aj gets him out of there in the first few rounds "wow he did as well as Wilder." If he just has an shiaty fight where he wins rounds as Helenius gases, then people will call that out. And there is always the risk of a big punch...

See why this is probably not a fix?

You had me until the, "spanked so hard by the bronze Bomber bit" cos he wasn't.

Helenius did more damage to himself hitting his head on the canvas than wilders paw at his face did.

Do you seriously believe skinny wilder backed up to the ropes and off the backfoot with no hip torque, no extension, no pop, just an arm paw at Big Bob's face was enough to put him down ?

If Bob is so shot he shouldn't be going anywhere near AJ on short notice even if he did crush a can last week and cos he is I'm expecting there's a script to be followed.

[billeau2]

You had me until the, "spanked so hard by the bronze Bomber bit" cos he wasn't.

Helenius did more damage to himself hitting his head on the canvas than wilders paw at his face did.

Do you seriously believe skinny wilder backed up to the ropes and off the backfoot with no hip torque, no extension, no pop, just an arm paw at Big Bob's face was enough to put him down ?

If Bob is so shot he shouldn't be going anywhere near AJ on short notice even if he did crush a can last week and cos he is I'm expecting there's a script to be followed.

A dive usually makes sense. it is not arbitrary, like a corrupt judges decision. What is the logic to Big Bob taking the fall? Pitbull Cruz is imo perhaps the best of the talent that is fighting for primacy at 135... He arguably beat Gervanti, and a few weekends ago is fighting this guy who looks like a male model, is promoted and in with all the big names, like Pacman, etc. The guy sells tickets, looking like an actor, etc. Pitbull lit him up the entire fight, the guy couldn't touch Cruz, the judges? Gave Pitbull a RAZOR THIN decision... NOW you tell me the fix was in on this one? I can see it. Short Mexican guy who is shy, does not talk shiat, about his business in the ring, not charismatic at all, versus the new pretty boy who speaks about training with pac, the ladies will look at, a ticket selling machine!

But WHAT logic is there for the viking to go to sleep in the corner against Wilder unless he was caught with a shot?

[pollywog]

A dive usually makes sense. it is not arbitrary, like a corrupt judges decision.

But WHAT logic is there for the viking to go to sleep in the corner against Wilder unless he was caught with a shot?

If he were paid more to lose and lose well.

[billeau2]

If he were paid more to lose and lose well.

WHY ? WHY would they pay him to dive? Come on man. Think about it: Some gang gets together and wants to make a killing, so they convince ____ to take a dive. Is it going to be the guy who probably will win by KO? so they can make a few bucks on even money? Is that worth paying someone to take a dive? Or the guy slated to win? Just think it through... Now, if Wilder took a dive, thats a different story entirely hence the blank space... That would produce some real betting money.

[Boxingfanatic75]

You had me until the, "spanked so hard by the bronze Bomber bit" cos he wasn't.

Helenius did more damage to himself hitting his head on the canvas than wilders paw at his face did.

Do you seriously believe skinny wilder backed up to the ropes and off the backfoot with no hip torque, no extension, no pop, just an arm paw at Big Bob's face was enough to put him down ?

If Bob is so shot he shouldn't be going anywhere near AJ on short notice even if he did crush a can last week and cos he is I'm expecting there's a script to be followed.

As I said, you’d still be in a coma from the shot Helenius took. Now, since you’re dead set on being a dunce, let me educate you in physics. Helenius is 250 pounds. Wilder is 230 give or take. Wilder has been the hardest hitting Heavyweight in years. It’s estimated his right hand generates in upwards of 1,300 pounds of force. Helenius came in face first, full weight into a Wilder right that was in the process of throwing. I guarantee that still generated 1000 pounds of force. Now, again, the punch you call “pitty pat” would have sent you keyboard warrior ass into a coma. Now, get lost kiddo.

[pollywog]

As I said, you’d still be in a coma from the shot Helenius took. Now, since you’re dead set on being a dunce, let me educate you in physics. Helenius is 250 pounds. Wilder is 230 give or take. Wilder has been the hardest hitting Heavyweight in years. It’s estimated his right hand generates in upwards of 1,300 pounds of force. Helenius came in face first, full weight into a Wilder right that was in the process of throwing. I guarantee that still generated 1000 pounds of force. Now, again, the punch you call “pitty pat” would have sent you keyboard warrior ass into a coma. Now, get lost kiddo.

Your estimates and guarantees don't amount to a hill of beans champ.

Take your meds, have a wee lie down and maybe crack one off dreaming of wilder, there's a good dear.