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  • Bronx2245
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    #71
    Originally posted by theface07

    You can't compare the two. Charlo is way bigger than Bud who hasn't even fought at 154 yet. How long has Charlo fought at 154? His entire pro career to my knowledge. Bud came up from lightweight. At 6 foot and fighting his whole career at 154, Charlo at least has the frame to fill out at 168. Bud is 5' 8" and has already moved up multiple weight classes.
    If that doesn't hold any significance to you, I don't think you understand how weight classes work. The Spence fans thought he would be too big for Bud at 147. And don't try to say that Canelo is short too. He has a significantly broader frame than Bud which is why he started his pro career at 147.
    The point you were trying to make (but failed) is that ANYONE would jump at a chance to fight Canelo, and you said "even 140lb. fighters" would do it! I just showed you were P4P #1 Bud Crawford isn't inrerested in doing that! Next you tried to say Khan moved up 2 weights classes for Canelo, and you were WRONG again! I just showed you that Khan was an established WW, and only moved up 8lbs., to fight Canelo @ 155! Lastly, Charlo has been at 154 his entire career, so you don't know what he'll look like @ 168! Even MWs have problems going from 160 to 168! GGG wouldn't even fight Andre Ward @ 168! So stop trying to throw shade on Jermell Charlo! He's accepted a GREAT challenge, and if he wins, it will be a HISTORIC UPSET!
    Last edited by Bronx2245; 08-10-2023, 06:49 AM.

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      #72
      Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

      When did Mell fight at 147? He's been at light middle his whole career AFAIK? 154-168 is 14 lbs.
      My bad, I meant 14lbs, which is still much different than Khan going up 8lbs!

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        #73
        Originally posted by Oregonian
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        So because Khan fought at WW and 8 Ibs isn’t really a “big deal”, that makes it different? So there was a chance Khan could have beaten Canelo because 8 Ibs is meh! Well ok then.
        Is 14lbs. more than more than 8lbs.? Khan did not go up 2 weight classes, but Jermell is...PERIOD!

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          #74
          Originally posted by Bronx2245
          The point you were trying to make (but failed) is that ANYONE would jump at a chance to fight Canelo, and you said "even 140lb. fighters" would do it! I just showed you were P4P #1 Bud Crawford isn't inrerested in doing that! Next you tried to say Khan moved up 2 weights classes for Canelo, and you were WRONG again! I just showed you that Khan was an established WW, and only moved up 8lbs., to fight Canelo @ 155! Lastly, Charlo has been at 154 his entire career, so you don't know what he'll look like @ 168! Even MWs have problems going from 160 to 168! GGG wouldn't even fight Andre Ward @ 168! So stop trying to throw shade on Jermell Charlo! He's accepted a GREAT challenge, and if he wins, it will be a HISTORIC UPSET!
          It's a money move and nothing else. You're not going to convince me otherwise. Furthermore, when did I mention Khan? I think you're confusing me with someone else. I didn't say a thing about Khan but that was a cash out fight as well. There was no way Khan was going to beat Canelo and even he knew that regardless of how much he went up in weight. Canelo was clearly on the clenbuterol in that fight to get down to 154, just like when he fought Liam Smith. It was obvious to anyone with half a brain. Canelo was massive compared to both Khan and Smith.

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          • theface07
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            #75
            Originally posted by BoZz
            The question is will crawford take the rematch at 154 or is he happy with his "legendary" performance against a drained spence? I mean he had no problem beating spence, matter of fact the fight was so easy spence lost before he got even hit that's how easy it was for our hero crawford, so after such an easy dominance why not take the rematch at 154 to show us all how well he'd do against a spence who wouldn't come into the ring half dead.
            You're talking about "drained" fighters yet you're in love with Mayweather. If that's not a double standard I don't know what is. Spence and his team were supremely confident of beating Bud before the fight and they didn't even mention problems making the weight. It's only you bias fans who come out after the fact and make excuses that the fighter didn't even use in the post fight press conference. It was his fault for waiting so long to fight Bud if the weight was an issue. Spence was a welterweight his entire career, had 3 belts, Crawford had 1 and they fought for the undisputed title. Don't try to move the goal post and downplay Crawford's performance by saying Bud "drained" Spence. If Spence was having trouble making the weight, he drained himself. It's not like Spence had to agree to a catchweight. He fights in the same weight class!

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            • TheWinners
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              #76
              Originally posted by theface07

              You're talking about "drained" fighters yet you're in love with Mayweather. If that's not a double standard I don't know what is. Spence and his team were supremely confident of beating Bud before the fight and they didn't even mention problems making the weight. It's only you bias fans who come out after the fact and make excuses that the fighter didn't even use in the post fight press conference. It was his fault for waiting so long to fight Bud if the weight was an issue. Spence was a welterweight his entire career, had 3 belts, Crawford had 1 and they fought for the undisputed title. Don't try to move the goal post and downplay Crawford's performance by saying Bud "drained" Spence. If Spence was having trouble making the weight, he drained himself. It's not like Spence had to agree to a catchweight. He fights in the same weight class!
              No excuses. Let's be realistic though. Spence had to go out of his way to make the fight in the 1st place. Do you really believe Crawford would've accepted giving the bigger man an advantage by not having to cut 7 lbs?

              Yeah after he's seen his opponent and sees all of his advantages he may be more willing to do that. But I believe Crawford would've happily walked away from the fight if Spence wanted it at 154.

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                #77
                Originally posted by TheWinners

                No excuses. Let's be realistic though. Spence had to go out of his way to make the fight in the 1st place. Do you really believe Crawford would've accepted giving the bigger man an advantage by not having to cut 7 lbs?

                Yeah after he's seen his opponent and sees all of his advantages he may be more willing to do that. But I believe Crawford would've happily walked away from the fight if Spence wanted it at 154.
                Your Post makes no sense
                The Fight was for the undisputed Championship
                Why even mention that Bud would have happily walked away if the first fight was at 154p.....
                Smh

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by TheWinners

                  No excuses. Let's be realistic though. Spence had to go out of his way to make the fight in the 1st place. Do you really believe Crawford would've accepted giving the bigger man an advantage by not having to cut 7 lbs?

                  Yeah after he's seen his opponent and sees all of his advantages he may be more willing to do that. But I believe Crawford would've happily walked away from the fight if Spence wanted it at 154.
                  I don't think that's accurate at all. Firstly, Spence didn't go out of his way to make the fight. Bud had been calling out Spence since he moved up to 147. Do you not remember when Spence said Bud hadn't fought anybody yet, he was on the other side of the street, etc. etc.? You're making it sound like Bud was avoiding the fight in some way. That's just nonsense. It took Bud leaving Top Rank and becoming a free agent to make the fight happen.
                  As far as the making the fight at 154 is concerned, that was never even part of the equation. They both wanted to become undisputed before moving up to 154.

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                  • theface07
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by greeneye99

                    Your Post makes no sense
                    The Fight was for the undisputed Championship
                    Why even mention that Bud would have happily walked away if the first fight was at 154p.....
                    Smh
                    Exactly! I thought that was self explanatory but apparently not.

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                    • TheWinners
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by theface07

                      I don't think that's accurate at all. Firstly, Spence didn't go out of his way to make the fight. Bud had been calling out Spence since he moved up to 147. Do you not remember when Spence said Bud hadn't fought anybody yet, he was on the other side of the street, etc. etc.? You're making it sound like Bud was avoiding the fight in some way. That's just nonsense. It took Bud leaving Top Rank and becoming a free agent to make the fight happen.
                      As far as the making the fight at 154 is concerned, that was never even part of the equation. They both wanted to become undisputed before moving up to 154.
                      I guess you forgot Bud resigning with Top Rank knowing it was unlikely he would get the fight by doing so.

                      My post was in response to a poster saying Spence should've never took the fight at 147. The fact is Crawford had all these crazy demands because he believed he was the A side. Even though his own promoter didn't support that and threw him under the bus.

                      It's plain as day and maybe you ought to listen to the man himself who said it was Spence who made this fight possible. I was saying after all of Crawford's crazy wanna be A side demands that he never would've accepted a fight at 154 which would give Spence the naturally bigger man an advantage. These are facts.

                      Reading is very fundamental. It's no guarantee that he would take a rematch at 154 but everyone wants to see the rematch at that weight to remove all doubt. And the fight would still do well. Just like Fury Wilder 2 and 3 did so. Even though the 2nd and 3rd fight was roughly lopsided.

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