Comments Thread For: Crawford Takes the Lead: BoxingScene P4P Update

[The Big Dunn]

This is pathetic.
6 Jermell Charlo

What? Jermell has no business being in P4P. Dude has fought twice in last 3 years both against Castano, with 1 draw and 1 win. This is just to say "omg Canelo is so good he takes down a P4P fighter!"

I agree with this. He is much higher on this list than individual fans have him.

I get he unified the division. That said, your points are spot on.

Imo, I cant see how he is ahead of Fury, Devin, Shakur, Spence, Bam Rodriguez or Estrada.

[Jsrr]

I don't agree with Bivol being in the top 5.
Yes he beat Canelo and had a great year in 2022 but he's only ever fought in 1 division and only held 1 belt.

P4P list fighters should be fighters that have accomplished many things in boxing like undisputed, champs in multiple divisions, beaten the top fighters in their weight class, etc.

Teofimo and Tank also? Really??

[A.B Counterhooks]

I don't agree with Bivol being in the top 5.
Yes he beat Canelo and had a great year in 2022 but he's only ever fought in 1 division and only held 1 belt.

P4P list fighters should be fighters that have accomplished many things in boxing like undisputed, champs in multiple divisions, beaten the top fighters in their weight class, etc.

Teofimo and Tank also? Really??

I agree ,Bivol shouldn't be top 5 just because he beat undisputed small 68 pounder ,has never move up or down in weight and holds just 1 belt, he would need to beat beterbiev first to be worthy such distinction imo. Tank is P4P but def not a top 5 yet ,his biggest win so far is a non champion ig boxer for crying out loud Lol

however I agree with including Teo on the top 5 since he coming of a huge dominant win against a much bigger now former undisputed champ

I ve got

Bud
Inoue
Usyk
Canelo
Teofimo

[crimsonfalcon07]

I don't agree with Bivol being in the top 5.
Yes he beat Canelo and had a great year in 2022 but he's only ever fought in 1 division and only held 1 belt.

P4P list fighters should be fighters that have accomplished many things in boxing like undisputed, champs in multiple divisions, beaten the top fighters in their weight class, etc.

Teofimo and Tank also? Really??

And yet Errol Spence Jr was a P4P stalwart for years on the strength of just his achievements at welterweight. I have always wondered why he was rated so highly and have asked people who rated him highly to explain their rationale on multiple occasions. He's good, maybe even great, but that doesn't mean he's P4P. Same deal with Tyson Fury, who's on many lists despite a pretty limited resume. And P4P exists to give more credit to fighters who aren't 6'9" giants, based on their skills.

But it's not just about accomplishments. It's about how they do it. Inoue and Crawford are undeniable because they are so dominant it's clear they're on another level. And Bivol absolutely dominated Canelo, who was considered the #1 P4P at the time, and had even won a title at that weight class before. So that's part of why he's been rated highly. Long term dominance of a division is a big deal too. He beat Joe Smith Jr, for instance, and if he'd done it at a different time, he'd maybe have another belt. You notice Joe Smith Jr didn't have any interest in trying a Bivol rematch when he was looking to unify. People aren't exactly lining up to fight him. He dominated Zurdo right after Canelo, and Zurdo was 44-0 at the time, and even after the loss, is still the #3 rated contender by Ring, BoxRec, and TBRB.

Teo is on the list because he beat the lineal champs of two divisions, both of whom have been P4P.

Tank is mainly there for eye test. Is there anyone at 135-140 you'd bet big on to beat him? I also don't think he belongs either, but that's the rationale.

And it's all just fantasy anyways. You've got different criteria than other people, so your list looks different. That's pretty much all there is that really needs to be said.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Crawford the top dog. There is no debate.

[hugh grant]

I don't see why bud needs to be no1 with such asterix over his win? It's not buds fault, spence wasn't his usual self but hindsight must be used, it's how you deal with ever changing eventualities, nothings concrete in boxing.
When people think bud couldve best spence in 2 rounds then something's not right with spence. Surely that alone should have some influence on how much credit you give bud

[The D3vil]

I don't see why bud needs to be no1 with such asterix over his win? It's not buds fault, spence wasn't his usual self but hindsight must be used, it's how you deal with ever changing eventualities, nothings concrete in boxing.
When people think bud couldve best spence in 2 rounds then something's not right with spence. Surely that alone should have some influence on how much credit you give bud

Where is all this "Spence wasn't himself" when he fought Danny Garcia & Yeordenis Ugas?

He fought them at 147 after his accident, so how is he any less himself than he was fighting them?

[Roadblock]

Where is all this "Spence wasn't himself" when he fought Danny Garcia & Yeordenis Ugas?

He fought them at 147 after his accident, so how is he any less himself than he was fighting them?

Ok that's fair enough, but lets play devils advocate where do you stand if Errol was really messed up, what does it mean then?

[crimsonfalcon07]

Where is all this "Spence wasn't himself" when he fought Danny Garcia & Yeordenis Ugas?

He fought them at 147 after his accident, so how is he any less himself than he was fighting them?

Fighting them doesn't mean he couldn't have had an off night. Just sucks that if he did, it came on the biggest fight of his life. I'm not prepared to say one way or another. I don't really give it much credence because he looked fine prior to the fight IMO, and we'll have to see how he looks in his next fight.

[hugh grant]

Where is all this "Spence wasn't himself" when he fought Danny Garcia & Yeordenis Ugas?

He fought them at 147 after his accident, so how is he any less himself than he was fighting them?

You know the answer. It's a credit to spence that he pulled those wins out of bag that he had enough within himself, shows the talent. But no one's to say those fights didn't take even more out of him? I mean when you've had a knock to the head, you can come down with something peculiar at any given moment have funny turn. One minute your ok, next minute you feel off and even faint.
I've not even seen the fights, all I know is spence best Garcia and ugas so in my mind he must be fine, but of course that's not the best way to gauge spence. So I was never in a position to say he wasn't himself after Garcia and ugas fights. As far as I was concerned is spence best ugas, who best pac, so surely spence is as good as ever.?