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  • Originally posted by MONGOOSE66 View Post

    Hmmm, im not saying crawford isn't a great fighter but this boxing era is WEAK. He could be better than even I think but we will never know cause his opposition is subpar.
    Take a look at Oscar Delahoya’s AMATUER record. Now, take a look at Crawfords amatuer record. Also how many gold medals each has.
    My opinion, Oscar would of wiped the floor with crawford at 130, 135 & 140 BUT 147 I think Crawford could give oscar a hard time.
    Are you serious.....lol. I don't care about their amateur careers. I honestly couldn't name majority of the name majority of Oscar's amateur opponents.

    As a professional, I've been able to see Crawford make an adjustment or 2 and turn a great match up into a showcase of his dominance. Who has Oscar "dominated" so much you believe a fight vs Crawford would have ended up in him "wiping the floor" with him....... Humor me. Crawford's dangerous at 135, 140, and 147...(He didn't compete at 130). More dangerous at 147 as he's getting closer to his natural weight as his street weight is north of 170lbs.

    Everyone always want to tear down his career by claiming he wouldn't have been able to compete in a era that was centered around some of the more popular names at welterweight. Ironically, when each of those fighters were asked about Crawford, they were highly complimentary of Crawford and what they see in him. Hearns, Duran, Sugar, Oscar, Whitaker, etc....all have been asked about Crawford and none of them are close to being as negative towards his value to the sport as some of these "so called" diehard boxing fans who've never competed at that level.

    Regardless of all the opinions and scenarios.....the FACTS are.....Crawford has dominated 3 divisions and became the Lineal champ in each division. And he's yet to be pushed to his limit during the process, showcasing he's a different breed compared to them. Even the individuals that were quoted as being tough competition and had the ability to expose the Omaha native going into the fight like the undefeated top 5 p4p Gamboa....or the undefeated #2 Jr. welterweight Viktor Postol. Or most recently....the man he was avoiding and too small for, an undefeated top 5 p4p unified champion Errol Spence Jr.

    My question is....why doesn't other fighters get the ridicule and comparisons to former greats.....Like Tank Davis, Jaron Boots Ennis, David Benevidez, Naoya Inoue, etc..... There are many greats in the divisions they compete in....but those guys are marveled as if they are showcasing dominance never seen in this sport. Meanwhile Crawford becomes the first Undisputed in the 4 belt era in 12 years....then 5 years later he becomes the first male to do it 2x.....but the response to him is......"but he didn't compete in 'this' era or 'that' era

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    • Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point View Post

      Are you serious.....lol. I don't care about their amateur careers. I honestly couldn't name majority of the name majority of Oscar's amateur opponents.

      As a professional, I've been able to see Crawford make an adjustment or 2 and turn a great match up into a showcase of his dominance. Who has Oscar "dominated" so much you believe a fight vs Crawford would have ended up in him "wiping the floor" with him....... Humor me. Crawford's dangerous at 135, 140, and 147...(He didn't compete at 130). More dangerous at 147 as he's getting closer to his natural weight as his street weight is north of 170lbs.

      Everyone always want to tear down his career by claiming he wouldn't have been able to compete in a era that was centered around some of the more popular names at welterweight. Ironically, when each of those fighters were asked about Crawford, they were highly complimentary of Crawford and what they see in him. Hearns, Duran, Sugar, Oscar, Whitaker, etc....all have been asked about Crawford and none of them are close to being as negative towards his value to the sport as some of these "so called" diehard boxing fans who've never competed at that level.

      Regardless of all the opinions and scenarios.....the FACTS are.....Crawford has dominated 3 divisions and became the Lineal champ in each division. And he's yet to be pushed to his limit during the process, showcasing he's a different breed compared to them. Even the individuals that were quoted as being tough competition and had the ability to expose the Omaha native going into the fight like the undefeated top 5 p4p Gamboa....or the undefeated #2 Jr. welterweight Viktor Postol. Or most recently....the man he was avoiding and too small for, an undefeated top 5 p4p unified champion Errol Spence Jr.

      My question is....why doesn't other fighters get the ridicule and comparisons to former greats.....Like Tank Davis, Jaron Boots Ennis, David Benevidez, Naoya Inoue, etc..... There are many greats in the divisions they compete in....but those guys are marveled as if they are showcasing dominance never seen in this sport. Meanwhile Crawford becomes the first Undisputed in the 4 belt era in 12 years....then 5 years later he becomes the first male to do it 2x.....but the response to him is......"but he didn't compete in 'this' era or 'that' era
      Are you serious….LOL, i could give a sheeit about your opinion.

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      • Originally posted by MONGOOSE66 View Post

        Are you serious….LOL, i could give a sheeit about your opinion.
        You care....otherwise you wouldn't be responding to MY POST in which I'm expressing my opinion. Did I some how hurt your feelings.....lol. It's all good. You can go find someone to cater to your emotions. It is what it is.

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        • In question for what? To be no1 pfp maybe. To be top 5 id say no

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          • Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point View Post
            My question is....why doesn't other fighters get the ridicule and comparisons to former greats.....Like Tank Davis, Jaron Boots Ennis, David Benevidez, Naoya Inoue, etc.....
            Those guys all absolutely get tons of criticism. What rock have you been living under?

            Davis regularly gets criticism for not having gotten any real belts outside of super feather, and for cherry picking, while avoiding the top guys in his divisions. Hasn't fought Teo, Haney, or Loma, and went for Barrios instead of Taylor. Got mocked every time. That's why he fights for asinine made up stuff like "the FACE of boxing."

            Ennis gets mocked on the regular for having a resume full of "bums." Where were you when the forum was mocking him for fighting a "Karen"?

            Benavidez gets called Bumavidez on the regular, and gets mocked for losing his belt twice for drugs and for missing weight. I certainly think there's a vocal group of posters who love him for some reason, and pretend that he's been a mandatory forever even though he's after the WBA and IBF and has been for some time, and didn't bother to try to pursue a mandatory shot that might actually get enforced.

            Inoue has ignorant types dismissing his resume virtually every day. Anyone who thinks Inoue's resume isn't good doesn't know what they're talking about, but he absolutely does get criticism nonetheless.

            Every fighter has haters, and they're all very vocal on here.

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            • Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point View Post

              You care....otherwise you wouldn't be responding to MY POST in which I'm expressing my opinion. Did I some how hurt your feelings.....lol. It's all good. You can go find someone to cater to your emotions. It is what it is.
              Actually moron, you responded to my FIRST post on this subject. You want to argue that too? LoL.
              Go back to mama and get some more chi chi, while the adults talk.

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              • Originally posted by MONGOOSE66 View Post

                Actually moron, you responded to my FIRST post on this subject. You want to argue that too? LoL.
                Go back to mama and get some more chi chi, while the adults talk.
                Dude you sound like a b*tch now. Don't mention my mother. RIP to her, she showed less emotions in a boxing conversation than you did. Now your corny ass is resulting to personal insults but want to claim you are an "adult"...... Disagreements happen, but you turned b*tch during this conversation for some odd reason. I don't have the energy to figure our what triggered you.

                And just to correct you on the most pointless portion of this disagreement you are trying to press...... I responded to your first COMMENT in my POST.....or shall I say THREAD so you can understand what I mean..... Look and see who started this thread, Goofy..... "You want to argue that too?".......Go sit your corny a$$ down somewhere.

                I continue to discuss/debate/converse boxing on this site..... If ever you can gather yourself and act like you have sense without the silly ****......you know where to find me. Or maybe not......Either way....I'm good.

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                • Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post

                  Those guys all absolutely get tons of criticism. What rock have you been living under?

                  Davis regularly gets criticism for not having gotten any real belts outside of super feather, and for cherry picking, while avoiding the top guys in his divisions. Hasn't fought Teo, Haney, or Loma, and went for Barrios instead of Taylor. Got mocked every time. That's why he fights for asinine made up stuff like "the FACE of boxing."

                  Ennis gets mocked on the regular for having a resume full of "bums." Where were you when the forum was mocking him for fighting a "Karen"?

                  Benavidez gets called Bumavidez on the regular, and gets mocked for losing his belt twice for drugs and for missing weight. I certainly think there's a vocal group of posters who love him for some reason, and pretend that he's been a mandatory forever even though he's after the WBA and IBF and has been for some time, and didn't bother to try to pursue a mandatory shot that might actually get enforced.

                  Inoue has ignorant types dismissing his resume virtually every day. Anyone who thinks Inoue's resume isn't good doesn't know what they're talking about, but he absolutely does get criticism nonetheless.

                  Every fighter has haters, and they're all very vocal on here.
                  You are referring to conversation that you and those in your circle discuss. I agree with a lot of that criticism on each of these guys. But the reality is, the mass does not criticize those individuals no where near how they attack Crawford..........

                  Look at Tank.... Tank has NOTHING to do with the success of Crawford or Inuoe and yet with the success/accomplishment that each of those 2 have recently experience, WHO'S NAME is thrown in the mix to validate their greatness..... Why is the media throwing a camera and microphone in Tank's face regarding Inuoe and Crawford. There are articles and journalist expressing that Inuoe/Crawford NEED to fight Tank to "test" their legacy........ Tank won't even fight a great within his own division. He fought a popularity contest earlier this year vs Ryan Garcia.....but you have Loma, Shakur, Haney, Teo, Taylor, etc... all in the reach of him and yet he isn't pushing to make fights vs them....... I agree with the criticism you are stating as I been pushing that as well, but it would be extremely naive to suggest that majority of the boxing world is leaning on that while still referring to Tank as one of, if not, THE face of boxing.....

                  Boots does NOT get mocked for having a resume full of "bums"..... Recently he got heat regarding his performance vs Karen.....but even with that, they were and have yet to stop trying to compare him to Crawford/Spence suggesting that both of those 2 are avoiding the "young lion"......stop the silliness claiming I'm "living under a rock".... Mfer I follow the sport of boxing and have been for multiple decades now. I don't just follow specific fighters..... Boots is PRAISED for passing the "eye test" consistently. Every once in a while someone will bring reality into the conversation and bring up Jaron's resume....but again it gets shot down suggesting that "everyone is avoiding him"...... I you need proof....go to Google or YouTube and just type in his name.....let me know how many articles/videos pop up of him being "mocked" vs him being pushed as the future of the division/sport.

                  I've never seen anyone call Benavidez...."Bumavidez"..... So if it has happened, it's definitely not "on the regular" as you claim. Nice try. Him losing his belt due to recreational drugs and missing weight doesn't make him a bum in the first place, so who ever is using the term as you say, is highly ignorant themselves.

                  I agree....every fighter has haters. Usually those haters are fans of guys who have or have to face that fighter. But that does not change the facts I pointed out about how much Crawford is criticized for his accomplishment vs his peers. With all that Crawford accomplished before moving up to 147, he was treated like an unproven challenger who was fresh out the amateurs when he openly called out all the champions at 147. He was coming off an UNDISPUTED performance, but they said he had to prove himself at 147. Yet....you look at Boots, Vergil Ortiz, as they trail Crawford.... Crawford is called a duck for not jumping to the opportunity to fight challengers to gain nothing.

                  Crawford moves up into another division, he's said to be ducking the challengers at his division. Charlo goes up to challenge Canelo, the cliche that's going around is he's "daring to be great".........That's said on multiple platforms....Blue Blood Sports TV, Showtime, The Ring Magazine, etc....

                  Miss me with the insults. Try to have a conversation without the emotions. The criticism you are suggesting for each of those names are conversations individuals like you and I have with each other.......but that's not the notion pushed by the mass media, social media, or "new" media.

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                  • Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point View Post

                    Dude you sound like a b*tch now. Don't mention my mother. RIP to her, she showed less emotions in a boxing conversation than you did. Now your corny ass is resulting to personal insults but want to claim you are an "adult"...... Disagreements happen, but you turned b*tch during this conversation for some odd reason. I don't have the energy to figure our what triggered you.

                    And just to correct you on the most pointless portion of this disagreement you are trying to press...... I responded to your first COMMENT in my POST.....or shall I say THREAD so you can understand what I mean..... Look and see who started this thread, Goofy..... "You want to argue that too?".......Go sit your corny a$$ down somewhere.

                    I continue to discuss/debate/converse boxing on this site..... If ever you can gather yourself and act like you have sense without the silly ****......you know where to find me. Or maybe not......Either way....I'm good.
                    You STILL responding to me? What’s wrong? Mama didn’t give you enough hugs? You seem like you need a hug from ME?

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                    • Originally posted by MONGOOSE66 View Post

                      You STILL responding to me? What’s wrong? Mama didn’t give you enough hugs? You seem like you need a hug from ME?
                      Give the poor guy a hug, and then a reach around for reassurance...............Rockin'

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