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  • Animalistic 5.0
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    #51
    Originally posted by S a m u r a i
    But is he the all-round better fighter?
    Off course Cotto is a better fighter. Pacquiao beating Zombi De La hoya, Crappy aka 'overrated' Hatton and Bum Diaz doesn't prove **** in this higher divisions.

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    • Silencers
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      #52
      Then we'll have a great, great fight. Pacquiao would be forced to fight Cotto instead of zipping in and out using his speed, he'd likely lose in that scenario but it'll be great.

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      • wizard king
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        #53
        speed or no speed pac will not be able to take cotto punches.jmm was able to stun him and shake him up a little bit. pacs ****ty defense will be his down fall.

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        • talip bin osman
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          #54
          Originally posted by Animalistic 5.0
          Cotto has KO all the southpaw's he has faced and his timing kills speed

          I could go on and on but in the end cpacquiao only advantage is his speed and don't come here with that crap that Pacquiao has better defence the man faced Zombi De La Hoya, Crappy Hatton and Bum Diaz in his last 3 fights, off course he will look like a million bucks. Watch how many times Marquez hit that ass and come back to me.
          cotto on the other hand, faced a fake pro named alfonso gomez, & a bum of the month selection in jennings...

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          • ..WaRSpencE..
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            #55
            Originally posted by talip bin osman
            cotto on the other hand, faced a fake pro named alfonso gomez, & a bum of the month selection in jennings...
            Pacquiao also fought the weakest champ in the 135lb division in David Diaz..takes credit for a draw and fight many and maybe even he felt he lost against Marquez (2nd fight)..couldn't KO an old tired Barrera "because he didn't want to embarrass him"..an old dehydrated Morales..and an old dehydrated De La Hoya..

            Don't go there..because anybodies resume can be dissected bro..

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            • talip bin osman
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              #56
              Originally posted by .::EyEKoNiK::.
              Pacquiao also fought the weakest champ in the 135lb division in David Diaz..takes credit for a draw and fight many and maybe even he felt he lost against Marquez (2nd fight)..couldn't KO an old tired Barrera "because he didn't want to embarrass him"..an old dehydrated Morales..and an old dehydrated De La Hoya..

              Don't go there..because anybodies resume can be dissected bro..
              i rather have the name of a paper titlist in my first fight at a new weight class than a bum whose name was truly unheard of during a tenure of what may appear to be my best weight class...

              i wasnt planning in going there until i was ****** in by the post i replied to...

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                #57
                Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
                Take Pacquiao speed away and all of what you say becomes meaningless!!!


                1.Cotto have KO every southpaw he have faced.

                2.Cotto has never gassed against a smaller fighter.

                3.Mannys head movement is better, Cottos footwork is slower but better than Pacquiao(he is most of the time off balance),Cottos combinations are better, more acccurate shots and better placed Manny swings wildly a lot of times his spees makes up for it most of the time, Manny give angle is more that when he is off balance he still thwows, but he certainly can punch from angles.


                Cotto is a better all around boxer than Pacquiao!!!!
                1. True but it does not mean he will KO pac
                2. True but if he chases pac and could not hit him. It will still take a toll on his stamina... something that pac may very well do.
                3.
                Head Movement -- agree
                Footwork -- disagree. Pac ,off balance, is seen only at the tail end of a combination. This is rarely seen in his last 3 fights because he is fighting smart. In and out against the bigger guys. To be able to do this effectively... means you have superb footwork. Cotto is well balanced himself but i would like to see him try pac's style and see if he can emulate it.
                Combination -- Partially agree. If you are following the conventional combination, you are right. But I prefer those off-rhythm, off-angles, high speed, 3-15 unorthodox combination over conventional ones. IMO, it's the reason that opponents have trouble figuring pac out.
                Speed -- Head-movement, footwork, unorthodox combinations are made possible by pac's speed.

                If Cotto can slow pac down, he will regain the advantage on all 3. Which means I agree on your initial statement.

                IMO, those off-angles shot does not necessarily mean he is off-balance. If it is really off-balance, there should be no power on it. Fact is... he often tagged(Diaz)/stunned(hatton)/KD(Morales) opponents by off-angles shot.

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                • Animalistic 5.0
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by talip bin osman
                  cotto on the other hand, faced a fake pro named alfonso gomez, & a bum of the month selection in jennings...
                  You forgot to mention that Cotto beat top WW's Joshua Clottey and Shane Mosley and gave one hell of a fight against a guy that might have had loaded gloves in Margarito.

                  Pacquiao faced a bum 135 champion in Diaz, a Jr MW that came in at 145 and weigh in less at fight night than Pacquiao did in De La Hoya and an overrated Hatton who had problems with guys like Collazo and got KO by guy that doesn't have much power in Mayweather.
                  Last edited by Animalistic 5.0; 10-02-2009, 10:33 PM.

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                  • talip bin osman
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by tesla_power

                    If Cotto can slow pac down, he will regain the advantage on all 3. Which means I agree on your initial statement.

                    IMO, those off-angles shot does not necessarily mean he is off-balance. If it is really off-balance, there should be no power on it. Fact is... he often tagged(Diaz)/stunned(hatton)/KD(Morales) opponents by off-angles shot.
                    it is very possible cotto can slow MP down... cotto is an excellent body puncher & is the younger of the 2...

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                    • chimeara27
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                      #60
                      i think it will still depend on cotto. but i think he can make though.

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