Are Bud - Spence fighting for p4p #2?

[The Big Dunn]

The only way bud can.overide the science, is it he outclasse s and demolishes spence so bad that people think if bud stepped up to 154 he d be favourite against the champs in that division. Similar to Nel o was against bivol, or more recently, yes that man inoue again against fu lton

This is dumb as f-ck. As usual youre artificially raising the bar against the guy you dont like.

Any legitimate non controversial win by Bud over Spence tops any win Inoue has because Spence is a consensus top 4 p4p boxer in the world.

This doesnt lessen the Fulton win or lower Inoues accomplishments in any way, shape or form.

You mention Bivol- he literally went from not ranked p4p to top 5 by beating Canelo.

Why wouldnt a guy ranked above Canelo that beats a guy ranked about where Canelo was, not get the same significant bump?

Your bias is clear.

[cork]

D.Garcia is definitely a good win with no tune up after his accident.

Brook, Ugas and Porter are top wins.

Peterson and M.Garcia are decent wins.

How would you say Inoue's resume compares to that?

Danny Garcia isn't a legit WW. He have no good wins at that weight. Won vacant title against Robert Guerrero who's was really done by that time.

Porter and Brook good wins. Ugas won a vacant title. Basically gatekeeper status.

Mikey jumped two weight class and had no business being there. It's like asking Spence to fight Canelo. It just doesn't make sense to have that as an accomplishment.

I admit I don't watch lighter weights too often but Inoue is smashing undefeated legit champs while moving up in weight. The two resume isn't even close.

[hugh grant]

This is dumb as f-ck. As usual youre artificially raising the bar against the guy you dont like.

Any legitimate non controversial win by Bud over Spence tops any win Inoue has because Spence is a consensus top 4 p4p boxer in the world.

This doesnt lessen the Fulton win or lower Inoues accomplishments in any way, shape or form.

You mention Bivol- he literally went from not ranked p4p to top 5 by beating Canelo.

Why wouldnt a guy ranked above Canelo that beats a guy ranked about where Canelo was, not get the same significant bump?

Your bias is clear.

I'm not raising no bar for bud. PFP is pure speculation but Inou e is actually putting it into practise and not theory. Many think spence don't deserve his status he is more speculation than anything. Spence isn't moving up weight so it's only opinions that he'd achieve anything above 147, or the people spence or bud best are worth a damn.

So there has to be an even playing field. All people are asking of bud is put your money where your mouth is. If bud is no1 pf p material he'd be favourite against charlo. If he's not, then your bluff is called you have no faith in bud.
When people think your no1 people get carried away what you can do. I remember people asking Nell to fight cruiserweights.? No such thing exists for bud, bud is clearly lacking

[IronDanHamza]

Danny Garcia isn't a legit WW. He have no good wins at that weight. Won vacant title against Robert Guerrero who's was really done by that time.

Porter and Brook good wins. Ugas won a vacant title. Basically gatekeeper status.

Mikey jumped two weight class and had no business being there. It's like asking Spence to fight Canelo. It just doesn't make sense to have that as an accomplishment.

I admit I don't watch lighter weights too often but Inoue is smashing undefeated legit champs while moving up in weight. The two resume isn't even close.

If they aren't close in resume then break it down.

Why is Inoue's resume so much better?

[cork]

If they aren't close in resume then break it down.

Why is Inoue's resume so much better?

Inoue= 6 champs(didn't count donaire twice) over 4 division. Undisputed in one working on his 2nd division to be undisputed.

Spence=3 champ in one division and working on his first division to be undisputed.

It feels non comparable yes?

[IronDanHamza]

Inoue= 6 champs(didn't count donaire twice) over 4 division. Undisputed in one working on his 2nd division to be undisputed.

Spence=3 champ in one division and working on his first division to be undisputed.

It feels non comparable yes?

Ok but that's not breaking it down at all and it doesn't work like that.

You've broadly put "Champions" but "Champions" aren't always, and in fact rarely are the equivalent to one another . For example Fighter A could fight 3 "Champions" that are in their prime and ATG caliber and Fighter B could fight 8 champions but are C level fighters or have won a vacant strap or something of that nature meaning the 3 for one outweigh the eightr for the other.

For Example Adrien Broner is a 4 weight World Champion, Marvin Hagler is a one weight world champion. 4 is more than 1 therefore Broner has a better resume than Hagler. It's a disingeous way to judge it.


Resume's are who they beat and when.

Let's break down who Inoue beat, and why that makes his resume so much better than Spence's.

We've done Spence's; Brook, Porter, Ugas, D.Garcia, Peterson, M.Garcia.

Break down Inoue's and we can compare the two.

[hugh grant]

Inoue= 6 champs(didn't count donaire twice) over 4 division. Undisputed in one working on his 2nd division to be undisputed.

Spence=3 champ in one division and working on his first division to be undisputed.

It feels non comparable yes?

Inoue is the true no1 pfp, the others are pretenders. He is the one people have faith in winning titles in 5th division and to do more.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm not raising no bar for bud. PFP is pure speculation but Inou e is actually putting it into practise and not theory. Many think spence don't deserve his status he is more speculation than anything. Spence isn't moving up weight so it's only opinions that he'd achieve anything above 147, or the people spence or bud best are worth a damn.

So there has to be an even playing field. All people are asking of bud is put your money where your mouth is. If bud is no1 pf p material he'd be favourite against charlo. If he's not, then your bluff is called you have no faith in bud.
When people think your no1 people get carried away what you can do. I remember people asking Nell to fight cruiserweights.? No such thing exists for bud, bud is clearly lacking

Bud has as well, moving up more pounds than Inoue.

The only people that think that about Spence are the anti Haymon losers with an agenda. Hes ranked top 4 by every credible ranking.

That is dumb as f-ck. Inoue was favored because Fulton wasnt a top p4p guy. Crawfors isnt favored because Spence is.

No one asked Canelo to do anything of the sort. He planned on it himself.

[hugh grant]

That is dumb as f-ck. Inoue was favored because Fulton wasnt a top p4p guy. Crawfors isnt favored because Spence is.

No one asked Canelo to do anything of the sort. He planned on it himself.

Its clear im going to around in circles with you. When people think your no1 pf p they expect you can do things others cant. That's why Nell was favourite against bivol.Regardless whether bivol was pfp or not, most could tell bivol isn't someone to underate, yet the bookies obviously did. Nel o was comfortable with being no1 and was confident, there's nothing wrong with that. If bud showed some of that confidence, maybe people would have confidence in bud being able to handle pressures being no1 and the responsibikities of having to live up to expectations people have of no1 pfp.
Would bud be favourite against Charlo or Tim Tszyu? You'll say charlo is pfp? FFS not everyone around buds weight class can somehow miraculously be great. Didn't you play these games as regard floyd too. Somehow all the versions floyd fought were at their best and better than versions pac fought?

All we are asking is bud to be so outstanding against spence they d have bud favourite against Charlo. To actually be seen to be doing what inoue is doing, ideally bud would fight and Beat them, all whilst being favourite too, but let's not ask bud to keep up with Inoue. All we are asking is basically bud be favourite in a fantasy fight essientially against non pfp Tim tszyu in first fight at lmw

[crimsonfalcon07]

Ok but that's not breaking it down at all and it doesn't work like that.

You've broadly put "Champions" but "Champions" aren't always, and in fact rarely are the equivalent to one another . For example Fighter A could fight 3 "Champions" that are in their prime and ATG caliber and Fighter B could fight 8 champions but are C level fighters or have won a vacant strap or something of that nature meaning the 3 for one outweigh the eightr for the other.

For Example Adrien Broner is a 4 weight World Champion, Marvin Hagler is a one weight world champion. 4 is more than 1 therefore Broner has a better resume than Hagler. It's a disingeous way to judge it.


Resume's are who they beat and when.

Let's break down who Inoue beat, and why that makes his resume so much better than Spence's.

We've done Spence's; Brook, Porter, Ugas, D.Garcia, Peterson, M.Garcia.

Break down Inoue's and we can compare the two.

Inoue has 20 wins in title fights spanning 5 divisions, 18 stoppages across those fights.
He has fought 12 fighters who have been world champions in their career (counting Donaire twice) and an additional IBO champ who I’m not counting. His champ opponents have I believe 56 defenses between them.

Ryoichi Taguchi (unified light flyweight world champ) WBA, IBF, Ring. Inoue gave him his second loss, and Taguchi still went up to win and defend world titles after, going 9-2-1 after fighting Inoue. One defense.

Adrian Hernandez two time light flyweight world champ. 4 defenses in his second title reign before being stopped by Inoue.

Omar Narvaez: two division world champion. 27 defenses across those reigns. He was on the 2023 HOF ballot.

Kohei Kono: 2 time world champion, 3 defenses.

Jamie McDonnell: IBF bantamweight, WBA regular bantamweight champion with 6 defenses.

Juan Carlos Payano: WBA and IBO champion, one defense.

Emmanuel Rodriguez: IBF champion, one defense, with wins over 2 other champs on this list.

Donaire (twice). Shouldn’t need to go into Donaire’s bonafides, but he reached #3 P4P by Ring, FOY 2012, 4 division world champion, has held 9 world titles, and titles in 3 consecutive decades, along with only Holyfield, Pacman, BHop, Morales, and Floyd. 10 defenses across his many reigns. He's got a chance in a matter of hours to improve his already HOF career.

Jason Moloney: Current WBO bantamweight champ.

Paul Butler. WBO champ, but no defenses. Email champ.

Stephen Fulton: was unified WBC/WBO superbantam champ, 2 defenses, both against world champions.

Many of his non champ defenses have come against guys with achievements like gold medals in major amateur competitions, Rajadamnern champion (which you'd recognize if you are into Muay Thai), or who themselves have wins over fighters who were themselves world champions.

A little more detail so you can debate.