What if Ngannou knocks Tyson Fury OUT

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  • Inspired
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    #131
    Originally posted by shawnkemp804

    Lol that is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Ali stopped George Foreman yet Tommy Morrison a steroid cheat couldn't knock down a old Foreman. Buster Douglas knocked Mike Tyson out yet harder punchers like Razor Ruddock couldn't knock Tyson out. Let's go even further, Wladimir Klitstchko couldn't knock down Tyson Fury yet the lighter punching Steve Cunnigham almost knocked Fury out with one punch. Fury was also knocked down by light punching Neven Pajkic. So because Deontay Wilder the guy who never knocked out anybody besides a old Luis Ortiz didn't knock Tyson Fury out (But still knocked Tyson Fury down 4 times) that means nobody can knock Fury out?

    The stuff you people type proves that 99 percent of you people here don't know a thing about boxing. Fury should beat Ngannou because Ngannou's boxing skills are horrible but if he lands a wild punch he could knock Fury out.
    yeh you're on about freak/wild punches...but that's a crap comparison. for example Wlad was a massive puncher, but he never did land clean on Fury. Wilder on the otherhand could, but that's because in the first fight Fury was operating at 50% and in later fights Fury's style was different.

    the point is that Wilder landed CLEAN and almost had fury out several times...and he's the hardest puncher in boxing.



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      #132
      Originally posted by Willow The Wisp
      If Francis Ngannou knocks out Tyson Fury.....then we will have a New Heavyweight Champion! Just that simple.

      Remember that like Stipe Miocic before him, Francis Ngannou IS a boxer, who, in a fairly short time bolted on the grappling and kicking skills nessesary to "Swallow" the MMA world, to throw Joe Rogan’s 2007 words back at him.
      ALL present day MMA fighters are Boxers to some extent, and calling it other things like "Striking, Dirty boxing", etc is no longer taken seriously by intelligent observers.

      In the landmark 2012 article published in Sports Illustrated entitled "War and Peace in Jackson's gym", the respected coach Mike Winklejohn stated that MMA was "a four legged table comprised of 1) Western Boxing, 2) BJJ/Judo/Submission Grappling, 3) Muay Thai/FC Karate/Kickboxing and 4) Freestyle/Greco-Roman Wrestling".

      Over time, in evolutionary segments, the stylistic approach has... evolved. The first segment began as an infomercial for "Gracie" (Brazilian) Jujitsu, when we learned quickly that gravity had a say in fights that really wasn't recognized in the old TV westerns, nor in the Karate & Kung Fu craze of the 1970s. But MMA pioneers like Marco Ruas, Dan Severn, Maurice Smith and Kazushi Sakuraba moved us along, and before you knew it, the Gracie clan was forced to watch as the sport moved beyond them to the point where they and their students were no longer even competitive in it. Fast forward 30 years from ground zero, and today, we see the same 4 legs of the table as the best practice approach; but Boxing alone has a bigger and ever increasing slice of what's relevant! No top MMA professional today can go without a heavy boxing component.
      The only die hards who still beleive that Submission Grappling remains more important than Boxing in MMA is the LBGT community, we can safely imagine.

      While Randy Couture vs. James Toney is, at significant cost to the UFC, the most famous MMA vs. Boxing encounter to the casual fans, it is certainly Ray Mercer vs. Tim Sylvia that provides the best example.
      Toney was getting hammerd by pedestrian talents even in his native sport by then, deep into the symptoms of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE).

      Francis Ngannou IS a boxer. But if he was ever going to become world class at it, he'd have chosen that harder to obtain path years ago, instead of dominating the whole of MMA only to discover that there isn't much reward given for doing that.

      No worries about him landing a haymaker in the top 25....ain't gonna happen.
      Boxing as a sport is greatly damaged by Fury. Ngannou is making more money as an 0-0 boxer than he did his career as a MMA fighter.

      The only die hards who still believe that Submission Grappling remains more important than Boxing in MMA is the LBGT community, we can safely imagine.
      As I said Fury next stop after this is the freak show, and to make some money off of the angry LBGTQ that he has insulted! He better want himself, some of those cats scratch and bite. At least Fury doesn't have to worry about hair pulling.

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        #133
        Originally posted by Inspired

        yeh you're on about freak/wild punches...but that's a crap comparison. for example Wlad was a massive puncher, but he never did land clean on Fury. Wilder on the otherhand could, but that's because in the first fight Fury was operating at 50% and in later fights Fury's style was different.

        the point is that Wilder landed CLEAN and almost had fury out several times...and he's the hardest puncher in boxing.


        Fury has had four or five deducted points is several fights. This is shameful record. Yes, Wilder floored Fury, ( who has a totally over rated defense ) four times. Is he skilled? That was worries me in Fury's next fight because Ngannou can hit and has shown power. At least with those light MMA gloves he has.

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          #134
          Originally posted by Inspired

          yeh you're on about freak/wild punches...but that's a crap comparison. for example Wlad was a massive puncher, but he never did land clean on Fury. Wilder on the otherhand could, but that's because in the first fight Fury was operating at 50% and in later fights Fury's style was different.

          the point is that Wilder landed CLEAN and almost had fury out several times...and he's the hardest puncher in boxing.


          That is my point you goof ball. Wlad is a big puncher but didn't knock down Fury but light punching Steve Cunnigham did knock Fury down. That doesn't mean Steve punched harder than Wlad. Second who says Wilder is the hardest puncher in boxing? Espn? Lol Goofy little kids like you online? According to Chris Arreola a guy who faced both Vitali Klitschko and Wilder stated Vitali punched harder. Chris also stated Bermaine Stiverne punched harder than Wilder. Numerous boxers have faced the same low level boxers that Wilder has faced and have knocked these people out much quicker than Wilder did. Let's use Chris Arreola again. He knocked out Eric Molina in 1 round while Wilder took 9 or 10 rounds. Bermaine Stiverne, Davarryll Williamson and 2 other guys knocked out Hariold Sconier in 1 round while Wilder took 5 rounds and got knocked down, David Rodriguez knocked out Owen Beck with 1 punch in the 3rd round, Wilder also stopped Owen in the 3rd round but only after multiple knock downs. Wilder took 11 rounds to stop Johann Duhaupus while Tony Yoka knocked him out in 1 round. Alexander Povetkin knocked him out in 6 rounds with 1 punch while Deontay never knocked down Johann. Wilder took 9 rounds to stop Artur Szpilka while Adam Kownacki knocked him out in 4 rounds and Derek Chisora only took 2 rounds, Lol do I have to continue? Wilder isn't the hardest puncher right now. He is a guy who has been boxing for 14 years as a pro and the best win he has is against a old glass chin Luis Ortiz. The rest of his knockouts were against low level guys who were knocked out much easier by other people, Usually before Wilder faced him too.

          Also Fury was operating at 50 percent in the first fight against Wilder? You might didn't know this but human beings don't operate like computers or machines. So there is no way to measure the percentage Fury was "operating" at. Also in the 3rd Wilder vs Fury fight Wilder who was 15/20 pounds overweight for his standards still dropped Fury twice.

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            #135
            not gonna happen... he's gonna gas out after the 1st round with them heavy arms.

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              #136
              hes trained in the clinch so he needs to grab mr blobby at every opportunity and wrestle him, make it a 3 round mma fight, swing for the fences early, no point in standing out of his range and trying to box, get inclose if nothing else is working and double fists to the body if all else fails before hes too knackered

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              • Inspired
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                #137
                Originally posted by shawnkemp804

                That is my point you goof ball. Wlad is a big puncher but didn't knock down Fury but light punching Steve Cunnigham did knock Fury down. That doesn't mean Steve punched harder than Wlad. Second who says Wilder is the hardest puncher in boxing? Espn? Lol Goofy little kids like you online? According to Chris Arreola a guy who faced both Vitali Klitschko and Wilder stated Vitali punched harder. Chris also stated Bermaine Stiverne punched harder than Wilder. Numerous boxers have faced the same low level boxers that Wilder has faced and have knocked these people out much quicker than Wilder did. Let's use Chris Arreola again. He knocked out Eric Molina in 1 round while Wilder took 9 or 10 rounds. Bermaine Stiverne, Davarryll Williamson and 2 other guys knocked out Hariold Sconier in 1 round while Wilder took 5 rounds and got knocked down, David Rodriguez knocked out Owen Beck with 1 punch in the 3rd round, Wilder also stopped Owen in the 3rd round but only after multiple knock downs. Wilder took 11 rounds to stop Johann Duhaupus while Tony Yoka knocked him out in 1 round. Alexander Povetkin knocked him out in 6 rounds with 1 punch while Deontay never knocked down Johann. Wilder took 9 rounds to stop Artur Szpilka while Adam Kownacki knocked him out in 4 rounds and Derek Chisora only took 2 rounds, Lol do I have to continue? Wilder isn't the hardest puncher right now. He is a guy who has been boxing for 14 years as a pro and the best win he has is against a old glass chin Luis Ortiz. The rest of his knockouts were against low level guys who were knocked out much easier by other people, Usually before Wilder faced him too.

                Also Fury was operating at 50 percent in the first fight against Wilder? You might didn't know this but human beings don't operate like computers or machines. So there is no way to measure the percentage Fury was "operating" at. Also in the 3rd Wilder vs Fury fight Wilder who was 15/20 pounds overweight for his standards still dropped Fury twice.
                Kronk Fury gets hit..but he gets back up. If he can take wilder's power, he can take Ngannou's.

                all other comparison's are silly. I generally agree that Wilder is overrated, as a boxer...but his power is real. All the guys who've been in sparring or a real fight, say his power is real.

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                  #138
                  Originally posted by Mr Giggles
                  I was watching this mma livestream and the people on there were saying Ngannou can knock fury out and what happens to Ngannou if/when he knocks fury out, what happens to boxing etc. I was laughing at what they were saying tbh but then I got to thinking, and a little worry creeped in, what if Ngannou lands a punch from the gods like Ruiz did against AJ, and it knocks fury out.

                  What happens to boxing if that happens, and the whole narrative which is correct that mma fighters can’t box.

                  Fury better not take this lightly, I swear down
                  What if? Boxing has enough problems, and they don't need Fury making up stories of a fix, or update Lennox Lewis term, a modern day lottery punch.


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                  • El_Maldito_Rey
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                    #139
                    Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07
                    Wilder did knock him down hard 4 times. He may have gotten up each time, but it's not like knockdowns from a massive puncher heavyweight just go away. Who knows how much chin he's got left, and Ngannou hits really hard too. Of course, Ngannou would have to be able to catch him first...

                    Sounds like it won't have the title on the line, but if Ngannou pulls it off, he's the baddest man on the planet IMO, and Fury will look like a giant clown.
                    That's the answer right there.

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                      #140
                      Depends.

                      If he wins by KO but that KO comes from a ref who didn't give Fury the chance the Wilder 1 ref did and the damage doesn't look like it hurt Fury as badly then I will ***** robbery. If it looks like Fury could have gotten up if given the chance but wasn't given the chance then **** that result.

                      If he KOs Fury clean, then we should all be disappointed in how ****ty our pros are in this sport.


                      Either way, I'll respect Franny for nutting up and taking on a damn near unwinnable fight.

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