Comments Thread For: Showtime's Espinoza Says Piracy Is Depressing PPV Buys By At Least 30-40%

[Toffee]

I'll pay for good fights.

If I roll the dice on a dodgy stream it's because I was never going to buy the fight. If it's a fight that I'm not desperate to see live then I'm willing to take the risk of missing some action due to buffering or the stream going down.

I think they equate 200k people watching dodgy streams to meaning they lost 200k viewers. They didn't - those people wouldn't buy the fight regardless of whether they could get a stream up. They lost nothing.

The views that were lost were because they put on a crap fight instead of something worthwhile.

[DClefthook]

It's so funny how people are up in arms about the price of PPV fights but these same people have no problem with expensive port subscriptions. Your credit cards are linked to more XXX port sites than regular retail sites. You goofy motha fuqers go to the strip clubs on payday and spend all your money on some where named lollipop and then spend whatever is leftover on call of duty downloads. STFU! Out of 365 days a year we probably have 6 or 7 that are PPV days which runs from 300-400 dollars a year. If you don't have that much money to spend on things you enjoy then you probably have bigger ussues in life you need to deal with. FOH!

[Boxing Scene]

They stop paying these idiots millions and charging $50 to $100 a fight and your problem is solved. It's absolutel insanity that these boxers make this much money.

[elmaravilla]

Piracy is not the problem. It also existed back in the 90s and 2000's when boxing events were selling at all time highs. It's the ridiculous pricing of $80+ for a PPV event, which usually doesn't even feature the biggest draw in boxing and a good undercard.

[juanpablo]

The PPV model needs a revamp, no one wants to pay those prices. Fix that and you wont have to worry about piracy.

[Oldskoolg]

I say bring the PPV prices down by $20-$30, you’ll probably sell more. Haymon is doing the right thing by offering fighters percentages rather than enormous flat fees like dazn was doing. Percentages make the fighter realize he will make what he’s worth and not a penny more. Personally I don’t care about paying PPV prices. I’ve worked a lifetime for a good life here in the states but I do know that boxing is a sport of those far less fortunate than myself and if we stop the poor from exposure to boxing then you’re killing off boxing. Boxing began to fall in popularity on the usa when PPV became the norm and the regular sports fan no longer had unfettered access to it

[juanpablo]

There's no PPV in latin america so you can watch pretty much every fight for free, real time (except DAZN fights) on ESPN Deportes. They have to be generating revenue through ads because there are short ads in between rounds so I wouldn't mind a model like that in the U.S. so as long as it's free.

Most successful business rely on customer feedback to iterate and improve their products but these guys never listen to their customers. No one wants to pay all that money especially for a crappy card, corrupt judges, etc.

[DClefthook]

The PPV model needs a revamp, no one wants to pay those prices. Fix that and you wont have to worry about piracy.

Not true! People don't steal because it's expensive they steal because their mindset is why pay anything when you can get it for free. People steal 50 cent bubble gum out of 7-11 because they get a thrill out of doing it. You can set PPV prices t0 3 dollars a fight and these idiots will still steal the shyte!!

[Phase III]

Networks like Showtime, DAZN and ESPN+ are putting too many undeserving fights on PPV because they don’t want to pay fighters themselves and now they complain about streaming services who steal the signal if you don’t find watching commercials. Showtime, DAZN and ESPN+ have only themselves to blame for trying to charge customers ridiculous money $75 to $99 for garbage fights that should be free. Boxing fans got tired of getting ripped off and Showtime, DAZN and ESPN have nobody but themselves to blame. They created the problem, and now they’re crying wolf.

[juanpablo]

It's so funny how people are up in arms about the price of PPV fights but these same people have no problem with expensive port subscriptions. Your credit cards are linked to more XXX port sites than regular retail sites. You goofy motha fuqers go to the strip clubs on payday and spend all your money on some where named lollipop and then spend whatever is leftover on call of duty downloads. STFU! Out of 365 days a year we probably have 6 or 7 that are PPV days which runs from 300-400 dollars a year. If you don't have that much money to spend on things you enjoy then you probably have bigger ussues in life you need to deal with. FOH!

I don't go to strip clubs anymore but I don't remember ever coming out of a strip club unhappy with the BS boobs I saw. If that would ever happen, I probably wouldn't go back to that same club. Same with PPVs - BS cards, corrupt judges, poor main events, etc makes people want to illegally stream the card because they don't want to spend all that money to get a dud card