Nelo's loss to Bivol is a total humiliation, what IF Nelo loses to Mell, what will it be called?

[just the facts]

Soooooo, for the record.....you can simply scroll up in the conversation and read what I said rather than just jumping to conclusions in a conversation where I'm already dealing with someone either purposely playing ignorant or is actually struggling to comprehend logic.

Despite crooked scorecards in Canelo’s favor (again), Bivol/Canelo was not a close fight.

[SceneBoxer]

They can call it what they want, but what's documented is a 115-113 scorecard.....which is the only official document that goes in the books..... Sooo do you have another angle or are you going to continue with your idiotic rebuttals. Goofy mfers love to giggle as if they set the record straight.

Aside from the 3 judges and yourself , can you give me a known boxing personality who called the Nelo-Bivol fight a "close" fight?

[Gideon lock]

Probably... Does Nelo has an option not to complete the PBC 3-fight deal if he loses badly to Mell?

I'm not actually sure to be honest, but I'm seeing alot of people saying it's jermell, jermall and Spence. If the sharp canelo that was fighting in the plant fight turns up he'll blast all three out the water (by decision) I'll expand on that in a moment. Although if the canelo that laboured through ggg 3 and ryder turns up jermell could be a problem with the speed difference both hand speed and foot over 12.

Back to why I think he should breeze all 3 if on form is because both charlos don't seem to be on his level, experience wise or activity wise lately. they could be a split second behind him all fight losing handily on the cards. And errol I like him as a fighter great heart and everything but I think he's compromised since the accident something doesn't seem right with his eye or reaction speeds during 50/50 exchanges compared to pre accident. I think he comes up short against canelo especially if the Crawford fights are bruising/gruelling for Spence there's a reason he's only fought twice since the accident.

[_Rexy_]

It clearly was you bitter b*tch. Stop crying ****** c*nt.... Why are you so emotional that everyone doesn't hate Canelo as much as you do?.....lol. Did he stick a finger in your mom? Stop being so bitter.....lol.

Again, You're the one quoting EVERYONE in here, with your FEELINGS, arguing how every article is fake news, and Canelo is just the greatest even though you don't follow him (groupie)



tell us again how Canelo/Bivol was a close fight

[garfios]

How is losing to Bivol "total humiliation"...... That suggestion is laughable at best. 175lbs is a division Canelo should not be trying to venture into. He got a gifted fight vs an old Kovalev then dropped back down to conquer a division he belongs in. Moving up to 175lbs the 2nd time he ran into a young goon in Bivol who is one of the best in the division. Losing to him is far from humiliating. Humbling maybe but not humiliating by far.

And the second part of this subject......He's not losing to Charlo.....PERIOD.

I know all his fans want to push the notion that Canelo avoiding him and his brother, but let's just be real. What exactly are they going to bring to the fight that Canelo hasn't seen and/or conquered already. And who has either Charlo faced that comes close to the level that Canelo is on?.......

Bs. The ginger was the favorite going in, he has already campaigned at 175, and he was 171-175 lbs at fight night when he was fighting at 154. If we have same day weight in, he would be fighting at 168/175 long time ago, along with a few others.

[Roadblock]

Bs. The ginger was the favorite going in, he has already campaigned at 175, and he was 171-175 lbs at fight night when he was fighting at 154. If we have same day weight in, he would be fighting at 168/175 long time ago, along with a few others.

Same day weighin was not all that much different as far as the fight night weights went they still packed on a lot of weight within 12hrs, you can gain 10/12 pounds of fluid pretty easy in that time and many were blood doping (taking blood out for the weigh-in and putting it back in after the weigh-in, there is a difference but its not like they weigh in an hour before the fight.

[SceneBoxer]

I'm not actually sure to be honest, but I'm seeing alot of people saying it's jermell, jermall and Spence. If the sharp canelo that was fighting in the plant fight turns up he'll blast all three out the water (by decision) I'll expand on that in a moment. Although if the canelo that laboured through ggg 3 and ryder turns up jermell could be a problem with the speed difference both hand speed and foot over 12.

Back to why I think he should breeze all 3 if on form is because both charlos don't seem to be on his level, experience wise or activity wise lately. they could be a split second behind him all fight losing handily on the cards. And errol I like him as a fighter great heart and everything but I think he's compromised since the accident something doesn't seem right with his eye or reaction speeds during 50/50 exchanges compared to pre accident. I think he comes up short against canelo especially if the Crawford fights are bruising/gruelling for Spence there's a reason he's only fought twice since the accident.

i agree ......

[Blond Beast]

I kept on telling people that Bivol has never gone to second gear and we didn't know how he was going to do when pushed. Canelo pushed him a bit and when he went to that second gear he dominated. Canelo did win some rounds but Bivol adjusted nicely to it. Bivol doesn't have a lot of power but his punch selection and connection keeps fighters at bay.

Right. I thought maybe Bivol would back up and jab and play it safe. Maybe not necessarily lose but a hard way to win a decision vs Nelo.
My dad who is a lifelong boxing fan was always big on Bivol, expected him to win. Sometimes when my Dad or brothers are a fan or high on someone I don’t study them as hard and let them be “their guy”. There was some talk of Bivol being possibly “thin” to the body but he showed up with a lean hard midsection and looked the naturally bigger guy. What impressed me the most about Bivol was that he threw those extra punches on the end of a combo. You know the thing every announcer/cornerman asks for. Canelo has a habit of stepping back and resetting after his own combos or defending against one, the extra effort by Bivol would catch Canelo off guard and it would look bad.
Bivol had great body language where Canelo was red and noticeably frustrated and tired. It may have just been a bridge too far for Canelo. Canelo had improved a lot but he was winning doing the same thing against lesser opponents.
Anyway im all about Beterbiev vs the best. Bivol has a real chance to beat him. Artur gets hit and he bleeds. Still 12rnds is a long time to survive him but Bivol has focus, a jab, feet and stamina. If have the odds even.

[STREET CLEANER]

Right. I thought maybe Bivol would back up and jab and play it safe. Maybe not necessarily lose but a hard way to win a decision vs Nelo.
My dad who is a lifelong boxing fan was always big on Bivol, expected him to win. Sometimes when my Dad or brothers are a fan or high on someone I don’t study them as hard and let them be “their guy”. There was some talk of Bivol being possibly “thin” to the body but he showed up with a lean hard midsection and looked the naturally bigger guy. What impressed me the most about Bivol was that he threw those extra punches on the end of a combo. You know the thing every announcer/cornerman asks for. Canelo has a habit of stepping back and resetting after his own combos or defending against one, the extra effort by Bivol would catch Canelo off guard and it would look bad.
Bivol had great body language where Canelo was red and noticeably frustrated and tired. It may have just been a bridge too far for Canelo. Canelo had improved a lot but he was winning doing the same thing against lesser opponents.
Anyway im all about Beterbiev vs the best. Bivol has a real chance to beat him. Artur gets hit and he bleeds. Still 12rnds is a long time to survive him but Bivol has focus, a jab, feet and stamina. If have the odds even.

That is the fight to make but the promoters and the sanctioning bodies are not letting it happen. That is where I really expect Bivol go into a full second gear because Beterbiev has not quit with his pressure and power.

Funny that a lot of people were saying that Bivol was a cherry pick and I kept warning them that we haven't seen him even struggle with an opponent. He did what he wanted to do in his fights to win.

[garfios]

Same day weighin was not all that much different as far as the fight night weights went they still packed on a lot of weight within 12hrs, you can gain 10/12 pounds of fluid pretty easy in that time and many were blood doping (taking blood out for the weigh-in and putting it back in after the weigh-in, there is a difference but its not like they weigh in an hour before the fight.

Thank you, so ginger would have been an LHW back then too.