Julio Cesar Chavez vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. @ 135

[airjohnston]

chavez had trouble with slick and defense boxers... pernall made chavez look ordinary... In this fight.. I see mayweather being too slick for chavez.... but he'll win an a tough UM like 7-5

[pbftxrs316]

I don't think it goes like that at all. Whitaker was faster and far better at being elusive than Mayweather ever has been. Floyd let himself get pushed against the ropes too easily and a guy like Chavez takes full advantage of this.

Also, Sweet Pea really surprised people with his inside fighting ability against Chavez. Floyd couldn't outfight Castillo inside, he wouldn't do it against Chavez.

get the hell out of here...floyd was way more elusive and had more pop than whitaker...don't let pernell's great defense fool you----floyd was faster and moved better and fought better off of the ropes than pernell did at 135---and hit harder--controlled the ring better---the only problem floyd had at 135 was castillo and he fought hm injured---you people fail to realize or purposely leave that out---floyd schools chavez at 135--period...

[Steak]

Yeah, why do people think Floyd and Sweet Pea are similar? Just because they are comparable as far as defensive skill? Sweet Pea fought with hands down using speed and reflexes to slip punches. Floyd is much more technical defensively.

mmm I disagree completely actually. people keep thinking that Whitaker's defense was all flash, but he had very subtle blocking ability. it wasnt all about the flashy head movement. his inside defensive ability was fantastic, he could push opponents off balance off of clinches, and could pick off punches with his gloves. not to mention he had plenty of shoulder rolling ability himself, it just wasnt as pronounced because it was just a backup defense for him...Mayweather uses it almost exclusively.

chavez had trouble with slick and defense boxers... pernall made chavez look ordinary... In this fight.. I see mayweather being too slick for chavez.... but he'll win an a tough UM like 7-5

yep, another common misconception about Chavez... the only fighter that EVER did well against Chavez fighting like that was Pernell. and even then, that fight was far from defensive, Pernell fought a lot on the inside, was stuffing the jab constantly, and it was even a pretty dirty fight.

Meldrick Taylor was not fighting defensively, he threw 100 punches a round in combinations.
Camacho fought defensively, and was one of the fastest fighters of all time. Chavez gave him a beating worse than prime Trinindad and DLH did years later.
Lonnie Smith tried to fight defensive and even tried to knee Chavez in the balls, he not only got outclasses but came close to get stopped in the last rounds.

Chavez had problems with volume punchers, not defensive-minded fighters,

[IMDAZED]

mmm I disagree completely actually. people keep thinking that Whitaker's defense was all flash, but he had very subtle blocking ability. it wasnt all about the flashy head movement. his inside defensive ability was fantastic, he could push opponents off balance off of clinches, and could pick off punches with his gloves. not to mention he had plenty of shoulder rolling ability himself, it just wasnt as pronounced because it was just a backup defense for him...Mayweather uses it almost exclusively.

yep, another common misconception about Chavez... the only fighter that EVER did well against Chavez fighting like that was Pernell. and even then, that fight was far from defensive, Pernell fought a lot on the inside, was stuffing the jab constantly, and it was even a pretty dirty fight.

Meldrick Taylor was not fighting defensively, he threw 100 punches a round in combinations.
Camacho fought defensively, and was one of the fastest fighters of all time. Chavez gave him a beating worse than prime Trinindad and DLH did years later.
Lonnie Smith tried to fight defensive and even tried to knee Chavez in the balls, he not only got outclasses but came close to get stopped in the last rounds.

Chavez had problems with volume punchers, not defensive-minded fighters,

Darn - I need to spread my karma around before I throw some more at you.

[Steak]

get the hell out of here...floyd was way more elusive and had more pop than whitaker...don't let pernell's great defense fool you----floyd was faster and moved better and fought better off of the ropes than pernell did at 135---and hit harder--controlled the ring better---the only problem floyd had at 135 was castillo and he fought hm injured---you people fail to realize or purposely leave that out---floyd schools chavez at 135--period...

Who did Floyd stop at 135lbs again? Ndou and Augustus...thats it. and the only people hes stopped above that weight were Hatton, Gatti, Mitchell and that Brussles Sprouts guy.

Whitaker nastily KOed Juan Nazario in the first round and broke Policarpo Diaz's ribs in their fight. both were rated in the top ten, unlike Ndou and Augustus.
'more pop' is up for debate.

you people fail to realize that Mayweather did not have an easy night against Castillo the second time around. just because he clearly won that time doesnt mean the fight wasnt hard for him, and the scorecards were pretty close.
How Mayweather schools Chavez when he couldnt school his sparring partner in either fight is beyond me.

[chavmex]

We have to remember 2 things! Chavez vs Sweet pea was Chavez first trip to the welter weights. He was never a welter weight fighter.
No with that said If we compare fights why don't we compare Chavez vs Taylor. Like some one said here Chavez was a master on having the fighter against the ropes and the way Castillo had Floyd's number on the 1st fight Chavez would be able to do, but much better than Castillo did. Chavez via MD

[Benny Leonard]

Who did Floyd stop at 135lbs again? Ndou and Augustus...thats it. and the only people hes stopped above that weight were Hatton, Gatti, Mitchell and that Brussles Sprouts guy.

Whitaker nastily KOed Juan Nazario in the first round and broke Policarpo Diaz's ribs in their fight. both were rated in the top ten, unlike Ndou and Augustus.
'more pop' is up for debate.

you people fail to realize that Mayweather did not have an easy night against Castillo the second time around. just because he clearly won that time doesnt mean the fight wasnt hard for him, and the scorecards were pretty close.
How Mayweather schools Chavez when he couldnt school his sparring partner in either fight is beyond me.

Castillo was bigger and stronger than JCC. Castillo was basically a WW come fight-time. Chavez has a smaller frame. Different fighters.

[Steak]

Castillo was bigger and stronger than JCC. Castillo was basically a WW come fight-time. Chavez has a smaller frame. Different fighters.

different fighters, almost the same style(with some variations). Chavez was better all around than Castillo, and the weight difference isnt that huge considering the skill advantage Chavez had.

bigger yes, but stronger? not really. Castillo's body always looked thin and stretched over a wider frame, there wasnt much muscle there. Chavez had a lot more upper body stretch than people think, he would force his opponents off with forearm pushes all the time to create distance, wheras Castillo would a lot of the time just fall into the clinch and tap his opponent the best he could.

besides, I have fights of his at 154lbs where hes still KOing them pretty solidly. not the best competition ever, but decent journeymen. Castillo didnt go up in weight well at all.

[GameGod]

There is no comparison between the two fighters. If they were both in their prime, Chavez would easily win by a mid-fight Knock-Out (i.e. Rounds 5-9). Chavez's competition (and others, such as Hearns') was vastly greater than Mayweather's, leading to the latter's domination.

[RockyB]

JCC is the perfect match for Mayweather. Wide desicion. (to make it clear, i am NOT a floyd fan, at all!)