Comments Thread For: Hearn on Fury-Joshua in September: No Contract Sent, But We Are Talking

[thack]

It's a good time for Joshua to be 'a work in progress'....
Fury beats them all but is a loose cannon who should let his promoters do their jobs and stop trying the be the worlds best businessman ....he's obviously not!

[hugh grant]

Even something as simplistic as this, it isn't clear if fury sent contract? Fury said he did! Now Hearn denying it?

[landotter]

I am fine with either of these options for Joshua. He either gets a huge fight against Fury in Wembley, or a tune up cash fight in August followed by a huge fight against Wilder in Saudi Arabia.


I am just a little lost as to how Joshua ended up back in the drivers seat for all this considering how mediocre he has been over the last few years.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

I am fine with either of these options for Joshua. He either gets a huge fight against Fury in Wembley, or a tune up cash fight in August followed by a huge fight against Wilder in Saudi Arabia.


I am just a little lost as to how Joshua ended up back in the drivers seat for all this considering how mediocre he has been over the last few years.

AJ is a big reward low risk fight for Fury, and really even Wilder at this point. Good name on the resume for a headcase fighter now.

[Teetotaler69]

So aj is in talks with windmill? If that's the case I see aj taking the fury fight. He'll lose by decision so the windmill fight is there but if he fights windmill first he gets ktfo and losses appeal for the fury fight

[PRINCEKOOL]

So aj is in talks with windmill? If that's the case I see aj taking the fury fight. He'll lose by decision so the windmill fight is there but if he fights windmill first he gets ktfo and losses appeal for the fury fight

Fury really should be trying to make the Usyk fight.

But I don't think he wants that fight, and I don't think he really wants to fight Joshua.

Fury has been pressured into making this level of a fight 'Because boxing fans, the public and even his hardcore fans are now NOT endorsing his normal way of operation'.

Fury's normal way of operation as a Champion. In-between big fights, Fury predominately likes to fight at domestic to European level.

Fury has overrated his drawing power if he was this Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson type superstar fighter? Fury would of fought back on April 29th at Wembley against a opponent of his choice 'None of that happened'.

Fury has been pressured and his under pressure for the first time in his career, to make fights that HE does not want to make. But that is the life and mandate of a Champion, Fury is now understanding what it means to be a Champion 'And to his credit, if these offers are real? Then Tyson Fury is stepping up, and recognizing that he has to as a Champion.

Joshua in terms of business can actually make bigger fights than Fury. Wilder vs Joshua is most likely a bigger fight in terms of business.

Note: Fury although he is the WBC Champion, seems not to be in this position. Partly because he does not want to make big fights.

I don't even think Joshua has to accept a 60/40 split.

In all honesty, Joshua right now? Should really genuinely fight his way back to a World title. He has one satisfactory comeback win, but that is about it 'Maybe if he achieved one more good win on his resume, then he would be a genuine title contender'.

But of course the professional game does not always work like that etc.

[Monty Fisto]

Ali fought in the best HW era ever. He was generally the same size and stature of the other guys in that era. His skill level was dominant, AND he had real KO power. There is a humongous, vast, incredible difference in Ali vs Usyk. I love Usyk, but he has little to no chance to beat Fury. Usyk knows it and so does any rational person. A comparison to Ali is disingenuous, we both know it.

Fury is dominant because his size, he has very good boxing skills, and he has a great chin. Period. These guys don't want to fight Fury, for good reason.

No, the mention of Ali was not disingenuous, as it was not meant to diectly compare Usyk to Ali in the way that you (somewhat disingenuously on your part, I might add) are suggesting.

You made a broad claim that no one watching HW wants to see technicians.

I refuted your point by citing Ali, who was undoubtedly a technician. People watched him for his charisma, they watched him for his wit, they watched him for his courage, but crucial to it all was his boxing skill. Without the beautiful boxing, no one would have given a shlt, not matter how charistmatic or witty or courageous he was.

Therefore it was perfectly valid to mention him.

And you can't use pure opinion, such as "Usyk has little to no chance to beat Fury", as some kind of evidence, because it means nothing. It rings as hollow as Fury's claims that he would destroy the "middleweight" -- when throwing up as many hurdles as possible to avoid the fight.

[Toffee]

I am fine with either of these options for Joshua. He either gets a huge fight against Fury in Wembley, or a tune up cash fight in August followed by a huge fight against Wilder in Saudi Arabia.


I am just a little lost as to how Joshua ended up back in the drivers seat for all this considering how mediocre he has been over the last few years.

He's always taken fights. He's lost a couple, he's rematched, he's never retired or been sidelined for drugs. He's unified, he's defended.

He'll challenge, and when he does he'll put in all the preparation possible and come correct.

He gets a lot of criticism and he may have fallen a bit short, but I think people understand what Joshua is about.

Despite the criticism, both Wilder and Fury know that Joshua is a huge fight and would be a massive win. And now he's got the defeats they can make a few more demands of him.

[PRINCEKOOL]

He's always taken fights. He's lost a couple, he's rematched, he's never retired or been sidelined for drugs. He's unified, he's defended.

He'll challenge, and when he does he'll put in all the preparation possible and come correct.

He gets a lot of criticism and he may have fallen a bit short, but I think people understand what Joshua is about.

Despite the criticism, both Wilder and Fury know that Joshua is a huge fight and would be a massive win. And now he's got the defeats they can make a few more demands of him.

I think both Wilder and especially Fury have made a tactical mistake with Anthony Joshua.

Tyson Fury has throughout his career, been a very good reader of a fight 'Fury and his team have always done great match making'.

As David Price awhile back stated? Sometimes in the professional ranks, it is about who you fight, when you fight them and also who you don't fight.

Fury tactically and astutely some say avoided David Price when their big domestic fight should of happened.

Tyson Fury for me fought Deontay Wilder to avoid fighting Anthony Joshua 'Universally at the time of Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder I, Joshua was perceived as a bad match up stylistically for Fury. While Wilder was seen as the easier fight stylistically'.

Once upon a time, it was not crystal clear that Wilder was the most powerful puncher in the Heavyweight Division 'Joshua used to be a factor in that debate'.

So Joshua was not only a powerful puncher, he was a genuine Athletic Super Heavyweight, who could box and put his punches together with combinations.

Both Wilder & Fury only started piping up towards Joshua, after his first loss to Ruiz Junior 'But even still there was a apprehension from Fury and Wilder'.

Last year in December, Tyson Fury tried to take advantage of Joshua's then perceived vulnerability during the aftermath of his loss to Usyk II.

If that fight would of happened, that would of been great match making for Tyson Fury 'The timing of the fight, and the conditions the fight was being made under'.

Tyson Fury should of already fought both Usyk & Joshua if he wanted to increase and maximize the likely-hood of him winning those fights. The longer it takes for Fury to make these fights, the more the likely-hood of Fury winning decreases 'While the likely-hood of Joshua or Usyk winning increases'.

And this is because the innate traits of both Joshua & Usyk is all geared for them to succeed and excel over the long game. They both have near psychopathic Work ethic, and in Joshua's case he is very obsessive, analytical and sequential in his approach to the game.

Since Last December Anthony Joshua has achieved his first win in over 2 years, and he has been consistently training with Derek James. What has Fury been doing? Fury has been backing out of fights, and I don't think he has been training LIKE his hardcore fans try and make out 'Contrary to what the media state or the narratives going around in the boxing World? Fury is no longer dealing with the same Anthony Joshua as last December'.

Note: I stated awhile back on here, that Fury for the first time in his career is being put under big pressure 'From boxing fans, his hardcore fans and the general public'. For the first time in his career, people are questioning his attitude when it comes to boxing, people are questioning whether he is truly a fighting man. Some of his hardcore fans, are no longer not so hardcore, they are refusing to betray themselves 'And they are demanding that Fury represents them as their Champion'.

This latest move of Fury, I don't think is a genius type move. I think Fury has been pressured into making these sort of fights and offers. Fury has overrated his drawing power, because if he truly was this Elvis Presley or Michael Jackson type superstar boxer? He would of fought on April 29th at Wembley against any opponent regardless of ranking 'None of this happened'.

So here we are, Fury has been pressured into making these fights. Ideally I don't think he would want to fight Joshua right about now, he would most likely want to carry on fighting just below World level until 'A big fight is called for by the WBC'.

Tyson Fury is still the favorite to beat both Usyk & Joshua. But I believe the longer he takes to make these fights, the likely-hood of Fury winning decreases 'Fury could of fought both of them already, but he has not and I think this has been a tactical mistake' etc.

[Toffee]

PRINCEKOOL

I agree the odds start swinging in Joshua and Usyk's favour for the exact reasons you've given. Fury turns 35 soon and we will start to see his decline if he ever laces them up again.

Timing is everything. Beating a declining fighter doesn't lose you much in the long haul and the fighters know that. What matters is winning. Lewis v Tyson was massive despite the fact that Tyson was completely spent. Lewis beat Tyson. That's what is in the books. And he still made a fortune beating a shell of a great fighter.

Fury gets lauded for his matchmaking, mental warfare and self promotion. I don't think he's expert at any of those things. I think he's exactly what he looks like and has always looked like. It just so happens that he's also an exceptional fighter who could achieve great things if he actually wanted to. But it's not for me to decide if a guy should fight. That's his call. If he's happy then fine. Just don't expect me to accept all these fantasy wins he would/could have had.