Comments Thread For: Haney: I Feel I'm Number One P4P After Performance Against Guy Who Was Once Number One

[shenmue]

P4p isn't real, he is one of the best at lw though.

[Smash]

haney is forcing his fans to start praising bumchenko now lol

[Corelone]

He said he feels. Nothing wrong with that. He gots a right to his feels, but most everybody else isn't feeling it.

[Boxing Logic]

In all seriousness, us boxing fans were the real winners Saturday night. We were treated to a real gem of a fight between two highly skilled and competitive opponents that was hotly contested, highly entertaining and evenly matched.

No real boxing fan could ask for a better fight than that one. I would rather Haney fight Loma again rather than fighting Stevenson or Davis because i am afraid he may lose those two fights.

The people who had Loma winning the fight are not racists. Neither are the fans who had Haney winning the fight aren't racists either.
It was just a razor thin close fight that was very difficult to score that could have gone either way.

Which is why I scored it even on my unofficial scorecard. Had Loma won the twelfth round I would have had him winning the fight 115-113 on my unofficial scorecard.

I just thought that Haney barely edged it out.

It really wasnt a great fight though. You can edit all the good action into a 3 or 5 minute highlight video. Besides that it is a lot of holding, a lot of moving around afraid to engage, and a lot of grazing or missing arm punches from both guys as they waited around. This is like a movie script that needs to be 100 pages to film a full movie, and there is a deadline to start shooting the movie, but all they had is 20 pages. 20 great pages, but still not enough to make a good movie. If this fight had not been close, and you just judge the action, it was really bad. Very low activity fight. Lots of simplistic moves. Lots of missing. Even the biggest action rounds of the fight, 10 and 11, if you go back and watch them, it's just like one or two big combinations, and a few big single shots, and then Loma goes back to waiting around like he's trying to throw the fight, waiting for Haney to recover.

If the best rounds of the fight, like round 10, only have 15 punches scored total, that's a terrible fight. Even in round 11 Loma landed 20 out of 50 punches. This guy is supposed to throw 100 punches per round and land 40 of them at this level, if he is any good like they marketed him, instead he is throwing like 40 punches per round and only landing like 10 of them. That's a terrible fight lol.

I mean seriously think about it, Loma landed only 1 punch of every 20 seconds of action, and only maybe 20% of them were actually big clean punches, same with Haney.

So you're watching this fight and you get to see like 1 good punch every minute and a half from each guy. That's terrible. And most of them were not even that big. You saw the few times they actually committed a little more (still not 100%, because it's just WWF, but more than the rest of the time), they were explosive and it was exciting. Like round 11 Loma when he was actually throwing with some force, it was exciting, and the way they did the show it made it look like Haney could not handle that version of Loma that was actually exchanging bombs and putting his weight into punches. Because how are you supposed to keep a much bigger man honest if you arent putting steam on your punches? But Loma did that maybe for 1 minute out of the 36 minute fight. The rest of the fight he was throwing arm punches messing around. And Haney the same thing. He committed more than Loma but still a lot of arm jabs and weak punches.

So I know why the boxing media shills are hyping this up as a good fight but I dont understand why boxing fans are. I think we have been so starved of decent boxing matches that we finally got one that was really awesome for like 5 minutes out of 36, and that was enough to trick some people that it was a good show. It really wasn't. I think Loma and Haney maybe were too busy being social media influencers to actually practice and perfect a full 36 minute great fight, so they just came up with 5 minutes of good stuff but thats it. Plus why would they bother making a good full show to watch if fans will pay the same to watch this crap anyway? If boxing would not put any effort even into making Mayweather vs Pacquiao interesting, after fans waited for so long, then why would this be any different.

I honestly cant remember the last good boxing fight that was actually between two top boxers. They are getting lazy or something or they just dont care.

[ruedboy]

Of course it don 't make sense to say you're #1 P4P because you beat a former #1 guy .
With that logic anytime a fighter beat a former champ, no matter how faded, he could declare himself champ.
Haney's one of the top guys at 135 and the judges thought he beat a guy 11 years older and prolly 15 pounds lighter last Saturday.

[Boxing Logic]

Everything except a fair shake from judges was all I said would happen. Top boy had a bad night against Lopez and that’s rung true.
where are all the Haney lovers now? The man deserves a rematch and you all watch this kunt avoid him. I say, face stevens and stevens will duly give the better man the earned right to get a fair shake. OUTSIDE OF THE “good ole boys” range. Fackin greedy ****** Robbin kunts.

Loma may have won but he still had another really bad night. In a fight like this he should be throwing 800 punches over 12 rounds or at least 750, and at least 3 out of 4 should be hard, full speed full power. Instead he threw 550 punches and the only ones he threw near full power were in the 10th and 11th rounds. It was like he was pulling his punches all night. When he actually did that, he looks even more explosive than Pacquiao, like no one can hang with him. He did it just for spurts of only 2 rounds and already it was enough that Haney was in big trouble. If he thrown even 50 punches like that per round from the start, he wins by KO. That quickness and explosiveness we saw in those spurts in round 10 and 11 are P4P the best offense in boxing but he barely uses it. And that's round 10 and 11, he should be even more explosive in the early rounds but again this is WWF but with much worse consistency and realism. Last min of round 11 and all of round 12 he's supposedly so tired he has to back off a hurt opponent and barely throw punches, but 25 seconds before that he is so not tired that his speed and explosiveness are actually better than any punches he threw for the first 9 rounds of the fight lol. I mean come on. I cant be the only person who sees through this charade.

But Im just saying if you judge it at face value, then compared to what Lomachenko has been his whole career up until he got in the ring with two young future cash cows who it helped the boxing business for him to lose against, he looked really bad. What happened to the guy who had some of the best offense and defense in boxing like we saw when he had by far the best plus minus in all of boxing, including not letting every single body shot fake hit him so that he could have an excuse for magically getting too tired to throw punches 5 seconds after having the fastest most explosive punches of the whole fight. But now they changed the WWF script to make him an offense only fighter who cant dip to slip punches anymore and has a leaky guard so that they have a narrative to explain why he is suddenly losing to these guys.

And please don't use his age as an excuse because physically to me he looks better than ever. His speed and explosiveness, when he actually uses them, are better than ever. His legs, when he actually uses them in and out, left and right lunges, side to side, along with constant feints and head movement, look stronger and better than ever. He looks like a lightweight beast. A little undersized like Pacquiao was at 147, but the strength and explosiveness in the punches look better, it just looks so good when he actually uncorks, like no one should be able to hang with him. Probably that's because the few times he actually does it, the show literally shows that opponents cant hang with it. Yet he barely does it.

If you're still not convinced, I'm positive you will be after this last question. If Loma had not the supposed shoulder injury bad performance vs Teofimo, and the supposed long layoff/rust bad performance vs Ortiz, would you still think this was a good Loma performance? Those are the fights that completely flipped the script on Lomachenko, that he actually kind of sucks. Before then he was winning every round against everyone, and back then he wasn't even explosive and powerful like he looks recently. If this weren't WWE I'd say he actually looks juiced up, that's how good his power and explosiveness and speed look now. Before he had the speed but not the explosiveness and power. Now he has all of it. I like his explosiveness at 135 more than I liked prime Pacquiao's at 147, that's how good Loma looks. Yet because of how badly he performed, he had a drawish fight with the 4th best lightweight. No way that is a good performance. He phoned it in again, even took off the last round vs Lopez. Before a made up shoulder injury (I mean if you think Boxing is real then at this point you have to say it was made it, because this was the same crap all over again) was the excuse. What's the excuse this time for taking off the last 4 minutes of the fight, and barely throwing any hard punches the rest of it? "I thought I was winning" yeah we're supposed to believe that this guy who already lost 2 close decisions this way, and who has 400 amateur fights and nearly 20 pro fights, including being rated the best boxer in the sport at one point, with an experienced manager too, would make that mistake.

It's not something anyone who actually thinks about it for more than a second would ever believe.

But, it sure makes for good WWF drama to keep the conversation going, doesn't it? It will make a nice talking point to fill the ESPN+ boxing talk time. Got to give them something to talk about.

[ELPacman]

35 isn’t almost 40 just like 25 isn’t almost 30

While, I can mostly agree with that, in terms of the weight class, 35 might as well be 40. Smaller guys rely on speed, stamina, timing, reflexes so much more than I believe the bigger guys. When any single 1 of those erodes, especially when they relied on that so much in their prime, it affects them tremendously when they age.

There is no denying Loma is old, the man has frikin grey hairs around. He didn't have that when he was making people quit.

[TheOneAboveAll]

It really wasnt a great fight though. You can edit all the good action into a 3 or 5 minute highlight video. Besides that it is a lot of holding, a lot of moving around afraid to engage, and a lot of grazing or missing arm punches from both guys as they waited around. This is like a movie script that needs to be 100 pages to film a full movie, and there is a deadline to start shooting the movie, but all they had is 20 pages. 20 great pages, but still not enough to make a good movie. If this fight had not been close, and you just judge the action, it was really bad. Very low activity fight. Lots of simplistic moves. Lots of missing. Even the biggest action rounds of the fight, 10 and 11, if you go back and watch them, it's just like one or two big combinations, and a few big single shots, and then Loma goes back to waiting around like he's trying to throw the fight, waiting for Haney to recover.

If the best rounds of the fight, like round 10, only have 15 punches scored total, that's a terrible fight. Even in round 11 Loma landed 20 out of 50 punches. This guy is supposed to throw 100 punches per round and land 40 of them at this level, if he is any good like they marketed him, instead he is throwing like 40 punches per round and only landing like 10 of them. That's a terrible fight lol.

I mean seriously think about it, Loma landed only 1 punch of every 20 seconds of action, and only maybe 20% of them were actually big clean punches, same with Haney.

So you're watching this fight and you get to see like 1 good punch every minute and a half from each guy. That's terrible. And most of them were not even that big. You saw the few times they actually committed a little more (still not 100%, because it's just WWF, but more than the rest of the time), they were explosive and it was exciting. Like round 11 Loma when he was actually throwing with some force, it was exciting, and the way they did the show it made it look like Haney could not handle that version of Loma that was actually exchanging bombs and putting his weight into punches. Because how are you supposed to keep a much bigger man honest if you arent putting steam on your punches? But Loma did that maybe for 1 minute out of the 36 minute fight. The rest of the fight he was throwing arm punches messing around. And Haney the same thing. He committed more than Loma but still a lot of arm jabs and weak punches.

So I know why the boxing media shills are hyping this up as a good fight but I dont understand why boxing fans are. I think we have been so starved of decent boxing matches that we finally got one that was really awesome for like 5 minutes out of 36, and that was enough to trick some people that it was a good show. It really wasn't. I think Loma and Haney maybe were too busy being social media influencers to actually practice and perfect a full 36 minute great fight, so they just came up with 5 minutes of good stuff but thats it. Plus why would they bother making a good full show to watch if fans will pay the same to watch this crap anyway? If boxing would not put any effort even into making Mayweather vs Pacquiao interesting, after fans waited for so long, then why would this be any different.

I honestly cant remember the last good boxing fight that was actually between two top boxers. They are getting lazy or something or they just dont care.

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[Kannabis Kid]

Lol Haney is nowhere near p4p #1 not even top 10. Aside from Loma who he didn't even beat what fights put him in that spot? His first fight with Kambosos was turned off at the bar I was at, one of the worst fights I've ever seen he made Miguel Titere Vazquez look like Marcos Maidana. The 2nd fight was following the same pattern until round 9 when Haney finally let his hands go and gave a good last quarter of the fight.

Aside from that P4P fighters usually fight fighters in multiple weight classes, not against several fighters who have jumped multiple weight classes. This is all facts look at Devin's resume and see how the majority of his "high level" opponents are blown up featherweights/jr featherweights.

1. JoJo Diaz - started his professional career at 122 lbs
2. Jorge Linares - started his professional career at 122 lbs
3. Yuriorkis Gamboa - started his professional career at 126 lbs
4. Juan Carlos Burgos - started his professional career at 126 lbs

That's all I can list because that's all who is on his resume. I hope no one brings up that South African he beat that got knocked out by an 11-10 fighter 2 fights later lmao.

Fun fact at the time they fought Devin Haney Yuriorkis Gamboa and Linares (two featherweights) had lost every fight by knockout except the ones with Haney haha.

[_Rexy_]

I never said that. I said that he should have reported it and postponed the fight until he was 100 percent healthy. I never disputed the fact that he was injured and needed shoulder surgery.

It was just the manner in which he disclosed the matter that I had a serious problem with; After using it as a photo-op after the Teofimo Lopez loss. I felt he staged the whole event as face-saving move.

Pretty sure you claimed he had unnecessary surgery to save face, but whatever.