Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Woke Up the Echoes, But Was it Really Enough?

[tkoboxingscene]

Yeah it was close enough that it could have gone either way, so if someone like Bradley has his opinion, then cool. I haven't read what he said, but I usually agree with his logic, so even if he disagrees that Loma did enough to win, he probably has a fair assessment. But, that isn't what I had issue with your comment about. You made it sound like a bunch of casuals that don't know what they were talking about making a stink of the fight, when that's clearly not the case when a lot of unbiased people have a similar conclusion. But, the fact that Bradley boxed before and the other guys didn't doesn't mean much. For example, Bernard Hopkins who is much more accomplished as a boxer had Caleb Plant beating Benavidez even going as far as saying that he will make it look easy, yet that was obviously far from the case. And there are countless examples of current and ex fighters being wrong on multiple occasions all over YouTube. And, with Bradley, his judgment in this situation is questionable to me because he was saying after the fight that he was having bad memories of his own controversial win over Pacquiao. But, anyway all of this is irrelevant. Like I said before, it was a close fight that could have gone either way, and plenty of people that do know boxing, not just casuals, think that Lomachenko did enough to win. So, just because you are obviously satisfied with the results doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you and if they don't, that doesn't mean that they're dumb, or not know what they're talking about.

I hardly ever agree with anything Tim says. But I appreciate for once he was able to look beyond his bias and come up with something that vaguely resembles truth.

some of those active guys you're talking about like Cryan, Keyshawn, and Stevens got beef and/or are in direct competition with Haney - they've got their own biases. I reject these "opinions" because their not grounded in fact.
this fight was way too close for anyone to cry robbery, and it's disingenuous for anyone with a brain who actually watched the fight to imply there was foul play. There have been far worse decisions in recent times but the dissent didn't get so much play, nor was the anger over the decisions this much. The problem is politics and racism are too much of a factor to a lot of people who watch boxing, but they want to they want to act like it's not the case until their favorites lose.

Canelo, Loma, Taylor, etc have been beneficiaries of far worse decisions than this, and these were swept under the rug - Haney wins a close fight by around all of a sudden there is a conspiracy against eastern european fighters. FOH...

[ShoulderRoll]

“it’s certainly no crime to suggest Haney could have been up 5-3 through eight (as he was on all three cards), which means his simply splitting the last four rounds or even losing three of them would have provided worthwhile grounds for retention.

So while outrage is loud, it seems a misplaced residue of momentum, not total dominance.

While it may seem ludicrous to claim Haney won eight rounds. It’s no less so to say Lomachenko did.”


Seems like a fair and even-handed opinion.

[ELPacman]

You want at least 3 rds in your pocket guaranteed before a fight starts? Move to Vegas, fight in Vegas. You feed them, they'll feed you. Mayweather learned early and Haney is on that same path.

[champion4ever]

It’s alright fellas! Loma didn’t fight a bad fight. He just didn’t do enough to win. You have to defeat the champion decisively in order to take their titles away.

In addition, you have to leave it all in the ring and don’t take rounds off like Loma did either.He blew this fight all on his own.

Had he won the twelfth round then the fight would have been ruled a Draw. However, he boasted that he deliberately took his foot off the gas in round twelve.

Which gave Haney the victory.

[champion4ever]

He gave up early rounds again and didn’t put the pressure on as he could have in some middle rounds and in the 12th. He proved he is a better boxer than Haney, but with the size disadvantage he definitely had to put the pressure in 100% of the fight to win. It’s not like Haney is someone that can be coasted past - he is a good fighter and was effective in parts, especially early on. In retrospect I think it was a draw and there should be a rematch.

Bingo! You hit hammer right on the nail. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

[champion4ever]

Lampley is saying it without actually saying it: Lomachenko was robbed blind. Everyone knows it. RJJ-94-02=GOAT had posted earlier (which was a great post), asking whether there is bias toward Eastern Europeans. Now Lampley is asking the same question. Because when it happens again and again and again, there is indeed something sinister at work.

I am keep hearing all of these theories about robberies but yet none of these Loma fans have ever stated what was their actual score.

It’s because they can’t. They know Loma didn’t win the fight and Vasiliy knows it as well. He could have won it but he blew it

[Bro. Steve]

Said it before, sayin’ it again: No pro fighter (except the mafia’s golden sons) should go to Las Vegas. The dons make sure the money man wins (provided he isn’t dragged away unconscious). It’s how the Bank of Canelo got fat.

[champion4ever]

Cute story and all, but how come credible analysts that have surely forgotten more about boxing than you'll ever know, likeMax Kellerman and Doug Fischer, (amongst many others) saw a close win for Lomachenko? Obviously it's just their opinion, but they are 'educated' opinions, not opinions from casual youtubers like you're suggesting.

Bullshit! I would rather ask the opinion of an expert who has actually laced them up and actually fought inside of a professional prize fighting ring than those two and his name is Roy Jones, Jr

Fischer and Kellerman have no credibility on this topic at all. They are just boxing fans who’ve turned commentators and reporters.

Roy said while Loma fought a good fight he couldn’t justify him winning the fight because he didn’t do enough in order to take Haney’s titles away from him.

He felt that Loma took his foot off the gas pedal and spotted Devin too many early rounds.

In other words, Roy did not believe that Loma left it all in the ring that night and it cost him dearly which was the reason why he lost and Haney won.

[letsgochump]

Loma was robbed. Loma landed more, controlled the pace and he won his rounds more decisively. It's a fix, none of the arguments against this have had any resemblance of sense attached to them. Just mindles drooling typed into words. Three American judges scoring the fight for their countryman. End of story.

[57Blues]

Was this writer trying to say that when a fighter gets older and is fighting someone who brings the money in if he dont beat him decisively and it goes to the cards he will not get the nod ? I would have never thoght of that myself if that was what he was trying to say. Weather it was a loss or a draw or even a win for Lomo if they had given the win to Lomo it would have been better for boxing and for upcoming match ups. Haney would have had to push himself harder, LoMo would have had to face his age and his limitations and fight two more meaningful fights. Maybe it turns out that way anyhow no matter who they gave the fight to. Think i will move on to the next fight card, this one was nice, man ESPN was in LoMo's corner hyping him for some many years but they got there money out of that deal anyhow story for another day. How quickly the platforms dump a fighter when they are told it is time to move to the next big thing. I notice that a lot in boxing that is why i try to stay away form hype as much as possible.