Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Woke Up the Echoes, But Was it Really Enough?

[uppercut510]

How long yall gon cry about this loss?

[SteelFist01]

I hardly ever agree with anything Tim says. But I appreciate for once he was able to look beyond his bias and come up with something that vaguely resembles truth.

some of those active guys you're talking about like Cryan, Keyshawn, and Stevens got beef and/or are in direct competition with Haney - they've got their own biases. I reject these "opinions" because their not grounded in fact.
this fight was way too close for anyone to cry robbery, and it's disingenuous for anyone with a brain who actually watched the fight to imply there was foul play. There have been far worse decisions in recent times but the dissent didn't get so much play, nor was the anger over the decisions this much. The problem is politics and racism are too much of a factor to a lot of people who watch boxing, but they want to they want to act like it's not the case until their favorites lose.

Canelo, Loma, Taylor, etc have been beneficiaries of far worse decisions than this, and these were swept under the rug - Haney wins a close fight by around all of a sudden there is a conspiracy against eastern european fighters. FOH...

Like I said man, and I will try to speak slowly, lest it fly over your head. Initially, you brought up casual fans and youtubers as being the ones whining about the fight, in a lame attempt to discredit anyone who saw the fight differently than you, and obviously the judges. And, now you are bringing up fighters and other people who have an agenda and reasons why a win for Lomachenko could or would benefit them. If people like that were the only ones crying foul, then I would agree with your point. But, like I said before, there are plenty of credible people, that are neutral observers, with no agenda, axe to grind, or anything of the sort! Is it really out of the realm of possibility that other people who know very well what they saw have a different opinion on the outcome of the fight? That said, I don't know if I will go as far as saying that there is some kind of conspiracy against Eastern European fighters, but I also wouldn't be surprised either.

[SplitSecond]

He gave up early rounds again and didn’t put the pressure on as he could have in some middle rounds and in the 12th. He proved he is a better boxer than Haney, but with the size disadvantage he definitely had to put the pressure in 100% of the fight to win. It’s not like Haney is someone that can be coasted past - he is a good fighter and was effective in parts, especially early on. In retrospect I think it was a draw and there should be a rematch.

Loma won the early rds. Depicted succinctly in this video.

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[SteelFist01]

Bullshit I would rather ask the opinion of an expert who has actually laced them up and actually fought inside of a professionally prize ring and his name is Roy Jones, Jr

Fischer and Kellerman have no credibility on this topic at all. They are just boxing fans who’ve turned commentators and reporters.

Roy said while Loma fought a good fight he couldn’t justify him winning the fight because he didn’t do enough in order to take Haney’s titles away from him.

He felt that Loma took his foot off the gas pedal and spotted Devin too many early rounds.

In other words, Roy did not believe that Loma left it all in the ring that night and it cost him dearly which was the reason why he lost and Haney won.

I'll also call bull**** on your opinion. Just because Kellerman and Fischer have never laced them up, doesn't mean ****. There are PLENTY of former fighters that are very knowledgeable that get predictions and analysis wrong all the time! For example, Bernard Hopkins said before the Plant and Benavidez fight that not only did he think that Plant would win, but that he would make it look easy! He was wrong, obviously! And there are many other examples from former and current fighters that are neutral observers in any random fight, that are wrong. The point is that when it comes to close fights, it becomes very subjective. So, clearly you don't think that the fight was close enough to give Loma the edge, and that's fine, it's your opinion and clearly Haney won the fight officially. But, it's silly to think that people can't have a different opinion, and if they do, then they must not know what they're talking about, which is a crock of ****.

[tkoboxingscene]

Like I said man, and I will try to speak slowly, lest it fly over your head. Initially, you brought up casual fans and youtubers as being the ones whining about the fight, in a lame attempt to discredit anyone who saw the fight differently than you, and obviously the judges. And, now you are bringing up fighters and other people who have an agenda and reasons why a win for Lomachenko could or would benefit them. If people like that were the only ones crying foul, then I would agree with your point. But, like I said before, there are plenty of credible people, that are neutral observers, with no agenda, axe to grind, or anything of the sort! Is it really out of the realm of possibility that other people who know very well what they saw have a different opinion on the outcome of the fight? That said, I don't know if I will go as far as saying that there is some kind of conspiracy against Eastern European fighters, but I also wouldn't be surprised either.

I think you're the one that's dow right ******, because i said there are just as many people who say the contrary. So accept the fact that it was a close fight, and your boy lost. You and all these people with different opinions need to accept that other people don't agree with your opinion either, and there's being different doesnt invalidate it. The result is the result, end of.

[SteelFist01]

I think you're the one that's dow right ******, because i said there are just as many people who say the contrary. So accept the fact that it was a close fight, and your boy lost. You and all these people with different opinions need to accept that other people don't agree with your opinion either, and there's being different doesnt invalidate it. The result is the result, end of.

Haha you're funny man. Way to move the goalposts. I do accept that Loma lost, and respect other people's opinions, regardless if I don't agree. But, you were implying, or flat out saying that the people that had Loma winning were fan boys, casuals, or people with some sort of agenda, and that anyone who knows boxing wouldn't see it that way, and I called BS on that take. End of story. Have a good day, my man...

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Lets all just realize that there are the Haney fans who know he lost and are saying things like "stop crying", "it was too close to call", or "if Haney was white there would be no outcry". There are those people, and then there are the other 90% of people who watched the fight, know Loma won and know that the judges were terrible. A person could sit down, watch the fight three times, prove Loma easily won, and the people saying Haney won will gaslight you and themselves and say it was just too close to call.

There will never be a consensus. They won't overturn it and Haney isn't doing a rematch, Loma would knock him out as this time he would not dare to think he is up on the cards. The best we can all hope for is that at some point this garbage leads to better training for judges, or some kind of computer system that judges these fights with no bias and based solely on who is the best fighter.

It's over. Loma should have the belts. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, who saw that fight knows it. If they say it was too close to call, they don't understand boxing, or they a Loma hater, a Haney fan or some weird racist who bases their fights on skin color.

[champion4ever]

I'll also call bull**** on your opinion. Just because Kellerman and Fischer have never laced them up, doesn't mean ****. There are PLENTY of former fighters that are very knowledgeable that get predictions and analysis wrong all the time! For example, Bernard Hopkins said before the Plant and Benavidez fight that not only did he think that Plant would win, but that he would make it look easy! He was wrong, obviously! And there are many other examples from former and current fighters that are neutral observers in any random fight, that are wrong. The point is that when it comes to close fights, it becomes very subjective. So, clearly you don't think that the fight was close enough to give Loma the edge, and that's fine, it's your opinion and clearly Haney won the fight officially. But, it's silly to think that people can't have a different opinion, and if they do, then they must not know what they're talking about, which is a crock of ****.

I can respect that! Good post!

[thack]

It seems odd that so many people at ringside didn't see Haney winning ...except three people !

[!! Shawn]

I had Loma winning. That said, Fitsimmons makes a good point. Anytime a score is 115-113 in either direction it’s hard to cry robbery with how subjective the whole judging process is at the end of the day. Those early rounds were a small guy vs a pillow fisted big guy, in a very tactical, chess match. I lean towards the skilled small guy who in my opinion kept the fight at his range, IOW controlled the pace. It is completely conceivable that others might have preferred the body work from Haney as Loma close the gap……meh, boxing.

The issue is HOW the fight was scored. Consensus is the first half was close, the 2nd half was swept by Loma.

However, the scorecards, managed to score rounds in ways that contradict most of the other people that saw the fight, and don't really reflect how the fight played out. When you see scorecards that don't reflect how the fight played out, it's reasonable to think that something funny is going on.

What this really highlights is that scoring anything without a knockdown 10-9 is not reflective of a fight. There are 10 points so that if its razor close round score it 10-9. If its like round 11, score it 10-8 or 10-7

Winning 6 razor thin rounds shouldn't count the same as winning 6 dominant rounds, and it really is the genesis of most fights viewed as robberies. In terms of rounds won, they are very close, but when you actually look at the rounds, one guy won his rounds far far more decisively.