Comments Thread For: Whyte: Joshua is Afraid To Take Rematch, Won't Risk His Retirement Payday With Wilder

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

They weren't baseless. Age is a great indication of an opponents quality because they are usually past their prime and are reduced to gatekeepers.
Pulev and Povetkin were clearly past their best. Vladimir somehow managed to beat time and continued to be in top shape his entire career which is why I agreed that he was a credible opponent.

Wilder can't box which is why his power has bailed him out of every fight he has had.

Would you consider Cunningham a credible opponent for Fury?

They are baseless because age isn't a great indicator for the quality of an opponent. For instance, Fury, Usyk, Wilder and AJ are likely all past there prime but there still great fighters. Age doesn't not equal gate-keeper, that's why you're opinion is baseless and surface level. You aren't basing the opinion on credible evidence nor are you taking the variables into consideration. Ortiz, Povetkin, Pulev, and Wladimir were quality wins even at their age because of their ability to perform. Pulev after getting knocked out by Joshua easily beat Jerry Forrest, who just got a draw with Hunter and Zhang. Boxing isn't fought in number's but in the ring so that's ultimately how you measure a fighter.

Furthermore, plenty of journeymen have power but cannot achieve anything Wilder has. Wilder has certain skills, such rthyme changes, which are highly affective.

Finally, Cunningham a credible win at heavyweight? Debatable but overall yes. Cunningham was a cruiserweight champion so he's obviously a skilled operator but did relatively little at heavyweight. It's like is Juan Carlos Gomez a credible win at heavyweight for Vitali or Dwight Quai for Foreman? Possibly depending on the context.

[bullydean]

They are baseless because age isn't a great indicator for the quality of an opponent. For instance, Fury, Usyk, Wilder and AJ are likely all past there prime but there still great fighters. Age doesn't not equal gate-keeper, that's why you're opinion is baseless and surface level. You aren't basing the opinion on credible evidence nor are you taking the variables into consideration. Ortiz, Povetkin, Pulev, and Wladimir were quality wins even at their age because of their ability to perform. Pulev after getting knocked out by Joshua easily beat Jerry Forrest, who just got a draw with Hunter and Zhang. Boxing isn't fought in number's but in the ring so that's ultimately how you measure a fighter.

Furthermore, plenty of journeymen have power but cannot achieve anything Wilder has. Wilder has certain skills, such rthyme changes, which are highly affective.

Finally, Cunningham a credible win at heavyweight? Debatable but overall yes. Cunningham was a cruiserweight champion so he's obviously a skilled operator but did relatively little at heavyweight. It's like is Juan Carlos Gomez a credible win at heavyweight for Vitali or Dwight Quai for Foreman? Possibly depending on the context.

Nice job being butthurt and refusing to understand actual logic instead of your little emotions.

You just proved me point. Cunningham is credible opponent because of his skill and achievements rather than a simple ranking.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

Nice job being butthurt and refusing to understand actual logic instead of your little emotions.

You just proved me point. Cunningham is credible opponent because of his skill and achievements rather than a simple ranking.

You're point? At this point I'm talking to a brick wall. You're either ****** or a troll either way it's embarrassing at this point. A simple ranking validates those things but like I said before being partial allows you to recognize different variables. You are just to slow to grasp the concept.

[bullydean]

You're point? At this point I'm talking to a brick wall. You're either ****** or a troll either way it's embarrassing at this point. A simple ranking validates those things but like I said before being partial allows you to recognize different variables. You are just to slow to grasp the concept.

If a simple rankings were enough then top 20 contenders wouldn't be considered bums. Past their prime fighters would be credible but they aren't.

You're just riding AJ.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

If a simple rankings were enough then top 20 contenders wouldn't be considered bums. Past their prime fighters would be credible but they aren't.

You're just riding AJ.

Past there prime fighters aren't credible? According to who? Not a single active top heavyweight has a legitimate win over a top heavyweight in there absolute prime. Usyk is past his prime but if Fury beat him, you would argue that's not a credible win because of his age? That's ****** and ignorant, like I said you're opinions are surface level.

Furthermore, who considers top twenty contenders bums? Maybe you not me so don't pretend everyone is dumb enough to think like that.

[JakeTheBoxer]

They are baseless because age isn't a great indicator for the quality of an opponent. For instance, Fury, Usyk, Wilder and AJ are likely all past there prime but there still great fighters. Age doesn't not equal gate-keeper, that's why you're opinion is baseless and surface level. You aren't basing the opinion on credible evidence nor are you taking the variables into consideration. Ortiz, Povetkin, Pulev, and Wladimir were quality wins even at their age because of their ability to perform. Pulev after getting knocked out by Joshua easily beat Jerry Forrest, who just got a draw with Hunter and Zhang. Boxing isn't fought in number's but in the ring so that's ultimately how you measure a fighter.

Furthermore, plenty of journeymen have power but cannot achieve anything Wilder has. Wilder has certain skills, such rthyme changes, which are highly affective.

Finally, Cunningham a credible win at heavyweight? Debatable but overall yes. Cunningham was a cruiserweight champion so he's obviously a skilled operator but did relatively little at heavyweight. It's like is Juan Carlos Gomez a credible win at heavyweight for Vitali or Dwight Quai for Foreman? Possibly depending on the context.

Cunningham was not even a great cruiserweight. He already had like 5 losses at cruiserweight before Fury fought him.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

Cunningham was not even a great cruiserweight. He already had like 5 losses at cruiserweight before Fury fought him.

If my memory is serving me right, three of those losses were controversial with only Yoan Pablo Hernandez soundly beating Cunningham. I think Cunningham was really good at Cruiserweight with the wins over Marco Huck and Krzysztof Wlodarczyk. I just remember the two Adamek and first Wlodarczyk fight being controversial.

[bullydean]

Past there prime fighters aren't credible? According to who? Not a single active top heavyweight has a legitimate win over a top heavyweight in there absolute prime. Usyk is past his prime but if Fury beat him, you would argue that's not a credible win because of his age? That's ****** and ignorant, like I said you're opinions are surface level.

Furthermore, who considers top twenty contenders bums? Maybe you not me so don't pretend everyone is dumb enough to think like that.

Usyk isn't past his prime and like I said before you're not even reading the comments because you're salty. I said age is a great indication of credibility because most fighters are clearly shadows of their former selves. Povetkin was clearly finished from his age.
Pulev somehow got worse.
Ortiz is easily put down by any half decent heavyweight. The man had to be checked by medics due to high blood pressure.
There are exceptions like Klitschko who managed to preserve himself but most fighters are shot and done.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

Usyk isn't past his prime and like I said before you're not even reading the comments because you're salty. I said age is a great indication of credibility because most fighters are clearly shadows of their former selves. Povetkin was clearly finished from his age.
Pulev somehow got worse.
Ortiz is easily put down by any half decent heavyweight. The man had to be checked by medics due to high blood pressure.
There are exceptions like Klitschko who managed to preserve himself but most fighters are shot and done.

Usyk without any doubt is past his prime, and to argue otherwise is just ignorance. Povetkin, Pulev, and Ortiz weren't clearly finished from there age evident by there ability to compete at relatively high level. Past there prime absolutely just like every fighter once there on the wrong side of thirty. However, prime is peak performance, which only lasts a few years but a career could spand two decades. A prime likely only account's for 25% of fighters overall career. People like you are to dumb to understand the concept of a prime and how it should be implemented into the conversation.

[bullydean]

Usyk without any doubt is past his prime, and to argue otherwise is just ignorance. Povetkin, Pulev, and Ortiz weren't clearly finished from there age evident by there ability to compete at relatively high level. Past there prime absolutely just like every fighter once there on the wrong side of thirty. However, prime is peak performance, which only lasts a few years but a career could spand two decades. A prime likely only account's for 25% of fighters overall career. People like you are to dumb to understand the concept of a prime and how it should be implemented into the conversation.

How is Usyk past his prime?

Povetkin, Pulev, and Ortiz don't compete at a high level. They literally fight bums and the few times they decent contenders they get blasted out.

Pulev struggled with gatekeepers.
Povetkin was getting tossed around by contenders.
Ortiz gets battered by contenders.
All got demolished by the top fighters because they don't have it in them to compete at a high level anymore. That's why they aren't credible.

Now you're pulling out random bs percentages lol.